Advanced staff juggling ... let´s go mad !!

hi Seb!

I'd say it's something like this...


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But even when you get the grip right, the throw is hard to get, it's gotta be perfectly done otherwise the staves touch each other and..er... well it sucks...

good luck

yo kevin;
merci bequcoup

this is a difficult hold for my typ of throwing staffs (the ends have much more diametre) but i will try.

i am in paris till monday, working with a director (remi) on a new soloproject for circus ....yiheay (now i know what i will do the next 2 years

but monday i am free to juggle....etc; i have to be at orly at arround 18:00; you wanna throw some staffs together?
i am near pointe of serbe??? (end of line9)

well anyway; thank you again, and cya seb

Build throwing staves without cotton-stalks-like ends !

does someone worked 6 staves passing !?
started it with kev, need to try again !!!

argh sorry seb I just read your post, I left like 30 minutes after I posted, and came back only today!

It would have been a pleasure though! Next time, hopefully!

See ya!

Maybe using 1.4 metres staffs is why tricks are eluding me at this point...

What size do most of you use at the moment...

Mine are only 90cm...

I can do a fair bit of stuff with 120s, not tried anything bigger though, and underarm stuff is still tricky.

yeah 900mm same

1m for me

staff lenghts depends a lot onto your body size -arm length

personal guidlines for 3 staff juggling:

short staffs (90-100) make underarm throws/catches
(like mills mess, mikes mess, etc) a lot easier.


long staffs (100 - 120) make bigger pictures and you have to move much more with your body undernieve..
not only by walking arround, also by bending your body...for me it taught me a lot about the rhythm of the patterns.
when you swing / dance undernieve, your whole body knows how a shower mills feels...maybe thats just geeky

most important: weight! robs hyperlights (?) are inspiring in that way. a bit too light for my taste thou

oh and cosy grip & soft cover ends make life even more comftable

everybody at EJC ?

Nah can't make the EJC Bristols the next one for me.

Hey guys!

How would you all feel about doing the "Dawn of the soy (Soy on everything part3)"? I´ve already talked about it with Ima and Bastl..

OK I'm confused by that one.... Tried a google and nothing.

Go on then, whats all this "Dawn of the soy" about?

Try googling "Soy on everything" instead...

Oh, keep on with the thread guys, I've been lurking on this for some time...

Ahhh now I understand... I'll check that out when I'm not at work.

Um, continuation of the thread...

One thing I've been thinking about recently is the use of planes in staff juggling. There seems to be an emphasis on doing things in wall plane, which is understandable because of the obvious appeal of cascade and shower based patterns in that plane. If you look at club juggling though, a lot of the "spinnier" type moves are best viewed in wheel plane, think mikes mess, 504(underspins), flourishes etc.

Taking that idea then what sorts of movements are available for staffs in this plane?

Underspins - we can do the usual club type underspins, with the addition that half-spins work as well as full spins. Works nice underspinning both the staves in your hands a half turn in opposite directions.

Flourishes - I'm not quite sure what counts as a flourish with staves as we're pretty much always spinning them, but its perfectly possible (although you'll need to be better than me to run) to do a normal club flourish.

Mikes mess - not tried it but would probably look really nice.

Thats the obvious stuff then, but what else would be possible, and less likely to burn your elbows with fire?

One move I've been attempting, and so far failing with quite badly, is a reverse flower (arms moving backwards in the top half of the circle) with a 3rd staff. A throw happens each half turn of the arm-circle and would create an effect similar to that of a 31 with 2 diabolos.

I also think it would be possible (but much more difficult) to do the same thing with forward moving arms and throws happening behind the head.

So, does anyone else have any nice wheel-plane staff juggling tricks?

The thing withs the planes is quite amusing,
When I started working properly in pattern development, the hardest bit was to translate club patterns from wheel into wall plane. It took us quite a while to get into it,….just like 2 years later, it seems to be `usual`

For funky planes, hm I belive that 3 Staff juggling is simply a new prop in the world of 3 object patterns. Logicly the first step is to translate existing patterns from other props, in order to gain understanding.
This was very well done by antti and his swinging cascade and the legendary shower, aswell as his wonderfull 423 variation. I had the pleassure to translate mills mess, mikes mess, backcrosses (easy to translate, hard to juggle rubensteisnrevenge, showermill….
Even more patterns where translated by the whole wonderfull scene (rob, josh, tim, ima .. most on this threat..

For me the next step would be to work out chracteristics which are unique to staff juggling, to contribute to 3 object patterns and inspire back the club/ring/ball jugglers. This seems more interesting than going back to see what else is done by clubs, rings… and keep on translating towards staff. -don´t get me wrong, inspiration is wicked, but also inspiring back feels good

example: florish towards staff is simple, which kind of spin /wrap/?? can be interesting todo with clubs ?

Well what makes staff as a juggling prop unique -I belive the continious spin (look at staff patterns like "the logic") or antispin-isolation-hybrid throws.
Otherwise it is `just` the same old "backcross patter" done with different object.

Don`t get me wrong, that’s all I can do, and I love it, to train and perform, but I belive the future will bring more creativity coming from accepting that staff is a "normal" throwing-object, BUT with special features.


Coming back to planes again, I just played around with triangle planes (wallplane in front of body, 90°plane In the back)

the patterns look similar to wallplane ones, and I didn’t have the urge to find the 2,3 treasure patterns in this planes which stand unique trough all characteristics and specialities of triangle planes. lame

allright, thats a long post with not much of an answer to your question well it killed time at work




and jonny, about "dawn of soy", as said before, i belive it would need a clear concept about how & why to continue this important story in staff throwing history. also why including different artists in it,...otherwise it would be a shame to use that briliant videos just for a reason to produce another staff video...what does antti think?

cheerio, sebastian

thaha look what mcp posted on ministry:
there you have wheel plane, but it just look likes clubs to me, no continious spin, just catch..stop movement..throw again...well there are some florish

@Bastl
definitely a very strong concept is needed and I´m curious about what we can contribute to the soy series...
the different styles of staff juggling etc.

When I talked to Ima about it he said Antti didn´t really care about us doing anything to Soy...

hi
johnny,its great to see you here,
seb its nice to here you have a job
reagarding the planes/clubs/staffs debate i cant put my opinions into words very clearly yet,but i do feel we should try and maintain some integrity to our juggling rather than just attempting club patterns with staffs i belive we should bring out the best in our chosen prop.
for me this includes the use of fire and glow,i always try to consider the asethtics of my tricks,hoping to create a beautiful pattern that my audience will like to see.
wether or not i manage this is another matter
sending love at all of you,you mad crazy hippies

I meant less "lets go steal a load of club tricks" and more "lets not get holed into a certain type of staff juggling"

I meant more that an easy place to start with looking at a concept, i.e. wall plane tricks would be to look at what people do with other props, then move on from there.

Seb, your response did jig something in my brain though. I had kind of assumed that most "aerial" (in the air) effects had been discovered by jugglers and we were limited to exploring the contact elements, and patterns underneath the object(s) in the air (so flourishes in juggling terminology).

I still think that jugglers have discovered almost all the ways of throwing an object, but realised that due to the size of the staffs they can be used much more to make a complete picture even when they remain in the hands.

Think about the ideas that came forward in the antispin thread where people were discussing how to draw "pictures" via the paths of the wicks. When adding a third staff we can expand the range of pictures while still having one complete image (not a spin pattern with the arms and a staff high in the air above it) by throwing a staff fairly low and moving the others in relation to it.

Even this though will benefit from knowing the base juggling patterns such as mills, ruebenstein etc however so that you can take the arm movements and play with antispining/isolating/etc the staffs.

So, I still think that when taking a new concept to apply to staff juggling, looking first to the existing juggling community is useful in order to learn those elements common to all props, before we expand on them.