The Poi "I just learned a new advanced move / combo" thread

Notcomelan3 turning,

that has wall plane similar to inversion.

lightning,

:R

ok so i've read the move listed notcoleman3 and notcoleman5 multiple times but have yet to be able to get a definition i can make sense of.

From what I gather its a 5beat weave with an inside or inversion or something?

anyone wanna give a real definition or better yet a video?

Read 'Different cross-over's' thread,
then second version.

watch the vidz,

:R

i'll try to do a video soon

new toy coming

Imbalance Notcoleman3 quick description: Take a 3 beat weave. Note each poi does 2 circles on the opposite side and 1 on the same side.

Do the circle on the same side in between your arms in buzzsaw plane. Practise starting from a 3bt, and focus on your right hand. Do the circle on your right in buzzsaw plane. Then swap to your left hand, and do the same. Then put them together.

ok, so its a 3bt with an inversion... that i can work with, thanks!

I thought the inverted 3-beat and the notcoleman were slightly different? Don't the poi always stay on one side of your arm in the notcoleman or summat?

Anybody help?

Not quite Mr joe, in a notcoleman each poi cross under your arm as they go through the inversion but dont actually cross to the other side of your body.

A notcolman is 1 of the 3 different inversions you can do from a 3beat weave. The notcoleman being the upswing of the hand underneath inverting. The others are: wrong weave - down swing of hand on top inverts and the barrel roll where they both invert.

I found the easiest way of learning a notcoleman was to cross arms and spin each poi in wheel plane (not in weave, just spinning with your arms crossed) then take the hand underneath through the space between your arms and chest so it becomes the hand on top. Repeat.

man, freaked me out for a second there reading your post sandy... my real name's Joe so thought you were talking to me for a moment (some coworkers call me Mr. Joe...) was about to ask how the heck you knew that and were you stalking me lol.

Been working on the notcoleman a bit, pretty sure i have the move understood in the ole brain, can do one hand of it but putting them together not working out yet... gonna try some more and see what happens. I keep finding myself doing a full beat of buzzsaw by accident.

well, got the forwards notcoleman3. once i got it i nearly smacked myself and wondered how the heck i didn't think of doing that before! Tell ya what, its been quite some time since i've really learned a "new" move. Maybe i haven't been spidering the forums much or maybe i've been drilling old moves too much. But its been a good long time since i've learned something new. Hmm, that sounds a bit egotistical, don't mean it to be, just mean I've spent a lot of time learning a wide variety of moves and then discovering their variations. Haven't seen a move I haven't done before (cleanly or not) in a long time. Almost forgot the what it feels like when you realize you just learned something and got it clean.

So, now off to clean up the reverse version and work on the turn. Then to force my body to do the 5bt version.

On a side note, was out at the Rennasiance (spelled that wrong i know) festival this past weekend and talking to a guy out there who showed me a clean version of something i've sorta been discovering/trying on my own. Hybrid huggie lockout/reels/weaves and butterflys (or ttn or whatever it most closely fits..) so thats on my list to get down.

You know, i constantly tell people that Poi is about burning moves into muscle memory and learning new habits... then breaking those habits and learning new (often somewhat contradictory) ones... time I started taking my own advice again!

Thanks for the help guys!

Nice one Imbalance. If you've got the notcoleman3, try turning it into an atomic weave, its basically the same but with the poi spinning in atomics (at 90 degrees to each other) The wrong weave works in atomic too, along with spiders and a double inversion where you do a notcolman and a wrong weave at the same time (one of my favourites).

wrong weave? Spiders? first time i've heard those terms, maybe i know them by a different name. I've actually been doing atomic weaves for some time which probably helped a lot in picking up the notcoleman.

Spiders are hugs or crossers moved down to your wrists. So the poi do the same motion but with your arms straight and crossed at the wrists. You can also add extra beats on both sides by turning. Look really cool if you stand facing forward and move your arms from extreem left to extreem right (will be a 4 beat move)

Wrong weave is like a notcolman but the hand on top inverts from top to bottom. So from forward weave going right to left, your right hand goes over your left and instead of going over, under, out it goes over, inverts to under and out. You need to turn briefly into backwards weave to get the inversion and then straight back to forwards weave. I think wibble matt calls them downswing inversions, dont know any other name for them.

I finally got the notcoleman3.

Hey Imbalance, If you were out at the Renfest with MTBeer at the Sphereplay booth, then that guy doing that thing was me. I haven't been active on HoP for years and just happened to check in on a whim. If you come out again, or better yet if we can get together during the week some time I can cover most of Rev's manifesto with you and variations that I have played with, including "notcolman" and "wrong weave" flowers, BF inversion flowers and various atomic and plane bending goodies.
Incidentally, I've been spending most of my time on tribe lately, and you guys should probably check out my thread in the techpoi tribe here:
http://techpoi.tribe.net/thread/7d1509cc...53-7a8a0248fd00

I have simulations I rendered in 3D studio MAX on youtube here:


I've been playing with spinning a "Cat Eye" (Arash'ese), which is a 1-beat antispin... your hand makes a unit circle (the smallest circle the poi body can make, diameter=the poi length ie an isolation, so the radius=1 unit= half the poi body), the center of the poi moves along a linear path 4 units long and the head makes an ellipse that is 6 units on the long axis and 2 units on the short axis. Because your hand makes the same path as an isolation, this means you can do all the possible same and opposite spin hybrids as 1-beats with out going poly-rhythmic. This also turns into the poi version of staff trammels if you move your hand linearly rather than spin the unit circle.

If you are wondering what the "Alien Code" is the Tribe thread is where I'm fleshing that out. Once I have it a little more refined, I'll cross post to HoP as well.

Hit me up on tribe, that is the best way to get in touch,

-Alien Jon

that's wicked, jon.

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Managed 8 beats of one-handed hyperloop, not quite flowered though (One day...)

Plus one handed hyperloop, to release, with whip catch back into one-handed hyperloop...
Not with anything resembling consistency mind you.

ok, one handed hyperloop confuses me.

is it a butterfly hyperloop, then put both poi handles in one hand, and spin them around, not quite like a madman?

Am I close? Because if I am, that's EASY.

If I'm wrong, how the [censored] do you get the poi to entangle when they're being held in the same hand? Let alone go through buzzsaw plane... (I know, I know, A hyperloop doesn't *have* to go through buzzsaw plane, but to me they do )

Enter like normal same-direction hyperloop, let go when they tangle (like suicide air-wrap), bring across body and where it would normally untangle and fly off into the sunset, loop the handle-end of the poi back around and carry it across to the starting side. Again here it will want to release, or you can loop again and carry back across.

The flower part is a bitch as you're moving it in a circle whilst still carrying it side-to-side. I'm not sure it can even be done, but it'd look sweet.

Double catch freehand included:

(circling)

-chest circling
-BTH circling
-BTL circling
-Horizontal around the head circling

(different classsic)

-Barell rolling
-Corkscrews!

(Tracing)

-head-chest figure eight contact traces
-leg contact tracing
-contact waistwraping
-BTL "negative" traces
-Straight arm backtraces

(traps)

-Elbow "static" trap buzzsaw pass

(double stops)

-Horizontal straight arm
-Elbow vertical

Some body poping
and basic foot work.

light,

:R