durbs sed:
"No way is this anything to do with a fountain - so you can leave that idea right now"
i agree with this quite a lot.
fountain as a move was defined pretty unambiguously yonks ago.
fountain as a family of moves is a hop thing and links follow-time/split-time weaves with a longarm circle.
the move nx? is on about ain't no fountain cos there's no cross-follow (cross-follow means 'weave' in old man language kiddies).
ltc sed:
"that's funny... I was always told that antispin contains no isolation..."
whoever told you that ed was wrong and not funny at all
isolation is intrinsic to antispin patterns.
that's taking a definition of isolation as something like 'a point of rotation between hand and poi head'.
if anyone thinks i'm talking crap there, show me antispin where there's no rotation point between hand and poi head and i'll eat my words, my hat, my poi and some ice cream afterwards to cheer me up
you can't make a loop without isolation.
and you can quote me on that
most of the rest of what ed said beyond that was rubbish too but we'll let him off cos he's cute and talented and can do all these moves anyway.
on the subject of hyperbolic simian's...
it is my firm belief that stick-trained monkeys are ethically unsound.
i prefer monkey whispering as a training technique.
it results in far lower levels of random rhetoric nonsense in poi forums
durbs suggested the name 'goofy hybrid' which this moves fits into perfectly.
its split-time poi (although as its butterfly, it doesn't have to be split-time - changing the timing just rotates the trifoil) with same-time hands, one of the poi is doing a longarm circle and the other poi has isolation
'butterfly hybrid' would do probably but i haven't read the hybrid thread on tribe so i'm not sure if that's been clearly defined already?
i prefer 'garthy hybrid' cos its a miles better name and reminds me of the ejc and ireland where he showed it me
the polyrhythm aspect is confusatronic maximoso but i'll try and break it down.
as nx? rightly said, the 3-loop antispin pattern is the 'natural' pattern for the antispin poi.
what that really means might take a bit of thinking about.
luckily i already did that so just meditate on this and you should understand why nice and quick:
three loops is the minimum number of loops you can spin with a poi in an antispin pattern that starts and ends at the same point.
the garthy hybrid is a 1:1 pattern.
here's why:
a normal spin transition (in this case a longarm circle) with an antispin transition (in this case the antispin equivalent of a longarm circle - a trifoil) along the same path, with equal poi speeds, will produce different numbers of 'beats' for each poi.
but only because the counting systems don't mix.
the important bit is this: the poi heads travel the same total distance.
i.e. the length of the trifoil path of one poi head is equal to the length of the longarm circle path of the other poi head.
if the poi travel the same distance over the same amount of time, then they're not spinning a true polyrhythm.
an actual polyrhythm variation of this move would be to spin the normal spin (longarm circle) poi faster to produce three 'beats' (or 'normal spin petals/loops' if you prefer).
its really hard to spin cos its super fast and i just tried and can't do it.
i'm not sure what the ratio of speeds works out at but i reckon its 3:1.
i'll happily be corrected on that one if someone can be bothered to do the maths
incidentally, i'll be rehashing my polyrhythm thread soon so that it more accurately defines polyrhythm as those moves that involve different ratios of poi speeds.
i'll be separating these out from the type of move we've been talking about above which just mixes longarm circles with wrist circles and gives two patterns with different numbers of loops in them but with equal poi speed throughout.
so don't go read the polyrhythm thread and try to reconcile it with what i've just said cos it's slightly contradictary
the move yakumo is on about is indeed an anti-spin butterfly move.
the simplest way of thinking of it is as the antispin variation of doing a long arm split-time butterfly.
just try it and you'll see this move is 'antispin longarm split-time butterfly'
you have to change the speed slightly so you get 4 loops through the longarm circles and you can style it out by moving your hands in lines (in a box actually) instead of in a circle but its still the same move at heart.
aside: when nick does this move it could be considered an antispin variation of a bastardised buzzsaw butterly fountain because he does the loops at either side between his arms (in buzzsaw) - but that's just cos he's nick
miss all you's guys and chatting crap like this all day long
cole. x
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