#805547 - 16/01/07 02:33 AM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Stout]
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what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Registered: 03/03/05
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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It is amazing how this competitive drive, this need to hate someone can push itself into almost any area of life. I mean... glowies!!!! How macho could anyone be about glowies!!!
I am trying to imagine the next step in badboy crewcrap... ribbon poi?? Baby's bottles? Thumb sucking? Pom pom battles?? 
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#805548 - 16/01/07 02:43 AM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: newgabe]
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psychadelic pyro
Registered: 26/08/06
Loc: Johannesburg
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It really does my head in that you find these people in all walks of life and it makes me really sad to think that even in our community of poi players (which, I've found are generally a very friendly bunch of people) these people are present.
Let's hope this was the last incident of it's kind.
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#805550 - 16/01/07 07:52 AM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Rouge Dragon]
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the henna lady
Registered: 15/12/00
Loc: WNY, USA
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I actually looked alot of this up.
Even in non-liquid form it isn't water soluble and requires chugging to get past the bitter taste, unless you are drinking something that masks it, apparently.
And if they were sitting there drinking together, when did he have the chance to slip it into her drink? Why not his drink? That makes no sense.
She was just entering her 2nd trimester, it's harder to miscarry. I've known people who've od'd and not miscarried beyond the first.
Not to mention that if they were that concientious to drink water, know that from here on out that it would be bad for her to go out, she wouldn't have taken a chance on a packed dance floor. The music is loud and studies have shown that it can damage the hearing of the baby enutero, as well as the chance of someone crashing into your stomach. I worked at a bar the entire length of my pregnancy and stayed far away from the dance hall area knowing it would be a danger.
Why would they confess to it? That makes no sense at all. Especially if "there was not enough to go on".
There was enough to go on. Threats through the internet. Threats in person. All of that is concidered to be cause for questionning at very least and he would have been brought in.
Even in pleas of guilty it takes more than a month for the hearing and sentancing. The charges here would have been Distribution of illegal substances
Possession of illegal substances
Attempted murder
Involuntary Manslaughter..and probably others.
That would get more than 19 years here in the U.S. and the friend wouldn't have gotten anything, unless he *knew* what was going on and supplied the drugs or something. There is *nothing* that brings him out as an accomplice.
People danced around her? Even believing that someone so devout and concerned over his pregnant wife would lose track of her so easily for his own dancing, I fail to believe that people would dance around her without noticing what they are tripping on, especially if were so crowded and it is such a PLUR scene.
There is also the way this was written. If this all happened within the past month, as it claims, there is no way this story would be told with the calmness that it has. This thing would be filled with rage.
I also did a search in the newspapers, as this *would* have made the news. It has all the facets for good news and getting people's panties in a bundle... a questionable subculture that a right winger can sink it's teeth into next election, a poor pregnant unsuspecting victim, drugs which have made the news many times over, "gang" style-underground crime, murder...No way in hell any paper missed this one. Hell, if it were written well, I bet you could sell the script to the Lifetime network for one of their weekly movies. Not to mention the whole pro-lifes getting up in arms. Oh no, this wouldn't have been missed.
And there was *no* news story that matched this in any of the searches I did. I asked a friend in Austin who's a spinner about it, and he said it didn't even make a buzz in the spin scene...and it absolutely would've.
Sorry people but I believe you've been played as there are more holes in this story than in swiss cheese. There is way too many holes beyond doubt to give the benefit of.
*edit*
And I am thinking more on this.
I love the outpouring of love and support here, it is one of the things I have always loved about HoP but there are two things this thread has made me wonder...
1. Why? Is this juvenile hatred so strong that it made someone concoct such a story to build more anger against "the other side" as well as garner pity for "the cause". It is disgusting to me, especially since there is so much drama in the world already, we need not add more.
2. I am a bit concerned that only a few people seemed to question this. If someone can create this story and have so many (obviously not just on HoP) believe it, what chance do we have against "credible" media who can do it in a more convincing manner?
Why are we so eager to believe these things?
I wish I had an answer to that last one actually.
Huh.
Edited by Pele (16/01/07 09:45 AM)
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#805551 - 16/01/07 11:06 AM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Pele]
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50 deluxe
Registered: 20/12/01
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 that made me ****ing cry. I'm so sorry for those guys. The culprits deserve every thing that got and will get from here on in. My wishes. 
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#805552 - 16/01/07 12:02 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: PK_]
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still can't believe it's not butter
Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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There's a huge emphasis in the story about everyone's reputations... in a crisis like that, it's kinda like worrying about your hair when you're on a sinking ship.
Imagine the guilt of the writer, for not being sober enough to stop busting his liquid routine to be with his lover when she most needed him.
guilt is such a horrible feeling.
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#805555 - 16/01/07 02:47 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Neon_Shaolin]
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Member
Registered: 01/09/06
Loc: Sydney
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Some of those facts I would be sceptical about, but the simple fact that It was sent from a man who was deeply routed in this community negates that, no he has nothing to gain from telling that story, only more to loose. He is trying to help us by warning.
I send my heartfelt condolences to you mate, wherever you are
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#805556 - 16/01/07 03:11 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Neon_Shaolin]
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member
Registered: 21/12/06
Loc: On top of a Nipple
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man this is insane.....
i cannot believe that something so simple and friendly as firespinning actually led to death...
i just cant believe someone would kill to prove something so dumb...
i am going to send a message to sparrow, i cant believe this happend...
but tell me, what did the spicy dudes do? they put MDMA in her drink?
i didnt get the method...
still, i didnt know [censored] like this happened in the usa.. its so different in europe...
im completely speechless...
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#805557 - 16/01/07 04:35 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Pinkadelic]
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NYC
Registered: 26/08/01
Loc: NYC, NY, USA
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Written by: Pinkadelic
i didnt know  like this happened in the usa.. its so different in europe...
You were right Molly. I owe you a dollar.
And Pele, count yourself lucky that people actually believed your whole  Fire Breathing accident without all the proof you demanded in your post.
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#805558 - 16/01/07 04:49 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: NYC]
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the henna lady
Registered: 15/12/00
Loc: WNY, USA
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I deleted my full response mainly because it's not worth it.
Allow yourself to be played, whatever. Who am I to care?
And girls never cry rape. I have a bridge to sell in Niagara Falls and everyone in prison is innocent.
NYC...I am NOT amused. If you want proof, fine, just ask.
Edited by Pele (16/01/07 05:14 PM)
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Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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#805559 - 16/01/07 05:35 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Pele]
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AKA CLERIC
Registered: 30/08/01
Loc: Staten Island , NY. USA
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EDIT : happy now?
Edited by Naganootch (19/01/07 03:19 AM)
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#805560 - 16/01/07 07:17 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Pele]
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Draco Iracundia
Registered: 11/03/05
Loc: Adelaide
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A couple thoughts, for thinking about the amount of drug required for her to OD 2 things that would affect it. 1. her size, if she's the size of Adya Miriyana, she'd require half the amount as me. 2. Dehydrated, even a dedicated person can be dehydrated while dancing, which would increase the effect of the drug.
Also he may of had his drink spiked also, thus explaining him spacing out. But not enough for him to OD.
About the sentencing, the police may of just said they'd get 19 years for pleading guilty not that they had actually received the sentence.
As for people dancing on top of her, I've been to parties, clubs and concerts where people have fallen over and no one will bother to help them up. They assume that the person is drunk and don't wish to put the effort into picking them up and or looking after them.
and lastly, about the outpouring of compassion, I'd rather be in a community where there is compassion with out proof than a bunch of skeptics waiting for proof.
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#805561 - 16/01/07 07:38 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Pele]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 12/06/03
Loc: Adelaide
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pele some of the points you have made do raise questions but i dont think that any of them prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the story is a hoax due to the lack of information. I know that when i originally read it it stuck a cord in me so I hope that you are right pele because if it is true its a horrible event some possible alternative explainations to it being a hoax Written by: Pele
Even in non-liquid form it isn't water soluble and requires chugging to get past the bitter taste, unless you are drinking something that masks it, apparently.
your making the assumption that she voluntarily consumed it and the assumption that all there is always a bitter taste associated with mdma
Written by: Pele
And if they were sitting there drinking together, when did he have the chance to slip it into her drink? Why not his drink? That makes no sense.
it says that they didnt spend the whole night together, perhaps when she went to the bathroom and he was gazing at the lights. Why not his drink? well someone that would do something like that is obviously very twisted and it sounds like he wants to make his suffer which i imagine having to live the rest of his life morning his unborn child would do.
Written by: Pele
She was just entering her 2nd trimester, it's harder to miscarry. I've known people who've od'd and not miscarried beyond the first.
everybodys body reacts differently to different things
Written by: Pele
Not to mention that if they were that concientious to drink water, know that from here on out that it would be bad for her to go out, she wouldn't have taken a chance on a packed dance floor. The music is loud and studies have shown that it can damage the hearing of the baby enutero, as well as the chance of someone crashing into your stomach. I worked at a bar the entire length of my pregnancy and stayed far away from the dance hall area knowing it would be a danger.
ppl make bad choices all the time
Written by: Pele
Why would they confess to it? That makes no sense at all. Especially if "there was not enough to go on".
with the supporting posts made under a different alias that link to him he might have realised that he had tripped up and confessed for a lighter sentance
Written by: Pele
There was enough to go on. Threats through the internet. Threats in person. All of that is concidered to be cause for questionning at very least and he would have been brought in.
i couldnt see the threats in person bit, telling someone they are a fake doesnt constitute a threat.
Written by: Pele
Even in pleas of guilty it takes more than a month for the hearing and sentancing. The charges here would have been Distribution of illegal substances
Possession of illegal substances
Attempted murder
Involuntary Manslaughter..and probably others.
i did find the time frame to be remarkably fast, still things get cancelled spots open up, in the same way ive sent two packages overseas at the same time in the post via the same shipping one has arrived 10 days later the other 4 months.
Written by: Pele
That would get more than 19 years here in the U.S. and the friend wouldn't have gotten anything, unless he *knew* what was going on and supplied the drugs or something. There is *nothing* that brings him out as an accomplice.
i think 19 years is to short but it doesnt suprise me, ppl get rediculously short sentances for horrific crimes all the time.
Written by: Pele
People danced around her? Even believing that someone so devout and concerned over his pregnant wife would lose track of her so easily for his own dancing, I fail to believe that people would dance around her without noticing what they are tripping on, especially if were so crowded and it is such a PLUR scene.
from what i understand it was at a regular club? ive been experienced collapsing in the street from food poisoning throwing my guts up and having ppl step around me in broad daylight alot of ppl dont care if they dont know u.
Written by: Pele
There is also the way this was written. If this all happened within the past month, as it claims, there is no way this story would be told with the calmness that it has. This thing would be filled with rage.
i would imagine that he is still in shock ridden with guilt at the death of his unborn baby
Written by: Pele
I also did a search in the newspapers, as this *would* have made the news. It has all the facets for good news and getting people's panties in a bundle... a questionable subculture that a right winger can sink it's teeth into next election, a poor pregnant unsuspecting victim, drugs which have made the news many times over, "gang" style-underground crime, murder...No way in hell any paper missed this one. Hell, if it were written well, I bet you could sell the script to the Lifetime network for one of their weekly movies. Not to mention the whole pro-lifes getting up in arms. Oh no, this wouldn't have been missed.
i had a quick search to and wasnt able to find anything, that being said i had trouble finding articles about winning the echallenge and i had very specific key words to use 
Written by: Pele
And there was *no* news story that matched this in any of the searches I did. I asked a friend in Austin who's a spinner about it, and he said it didn't even make a buzz in the spin scene...and it absolutely would've.
so i dont really know much about the spin scene in texas i did get the impression that there was somewhat or a split between the stringing and fire communitys? it would appear that i was less than a week ago that he made his announcement to the glow stringing community maybe it just hasnt filtered through yet.
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#805562 - 16/01/07 08:40 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: DragonFury]
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Remember
Registered: 12/08/03
Loc: Järvenpää, Finland
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The original post on glowsticking.com is from 10th of january.
Pele.. NYC has a point, Why don't you ask for more proof if u need it before making such accusations?! All your posts on this thread are fckd up. Enjoy your high ground.
Written by: DragonFury
and lastly, about the outpouring of compassion, I'd rather be in a community where there is compassion with out proof than a bunch of skeptics waiting for proof.
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#805563 - 16/01/07 09:10 PM
Re: Murder over the poi/glowstringing culture/artform - Please read :(
[Re: Antti_Everything]
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Registered: 21/07/03
Loc: Angel's Landing, USA
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 woah, I think we should all take a step back and have a a breather. I think the point of this post has been misconstrued and warped. In all my years of spinning, and perhaps even living, this is one of the most horrendous acts I've heard of happening to a person and fellow spinner. Let it be known that I fully and completely support Sparrow. This post was to bring this knowledge to light: that hate breeds suffering, that name-calling (or the US vs THEM) mentality breeds suffering, and the horrible things people will do to others in order to assuage their egos. I respect all of you on HoP - even those that are skeptical, you are welcome to your opinions. But I find it ironic that a post with good intentions as Sparrow has said, "i want it to be an exhibit of how bad society can get. how a culture you love so much, can become so volatile. Don't hate others, don't alienate others, don't call people biters, haters, fakers, or whatever comment you can think up. why can't we all be one thing, family?" could be taken out of context. Because here we are, calling each other names and alienating each other on HoP - attacking the story's credibility and those attacking those doing the attacking. Assume for one moment, that it is all true, or false - Either way, the last part is true: Don't hate others, don't alienate others, don't call people biters, haters, fakers, or whatever comment you can think up. why can't we all be one thing, family?That's the message I hoped would come from this post, and I think that's the message Sparrow would have liked for everyone to have as well. Maybe i'm too idealistic of a hippie? I don't think I am, I'm pretty pragmatic. I'm looking for the group hug smiley, but I can't find it, so this one will have to suffice I love you guys, I really do.
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