3 seperate styles of staff twirling

No I think some implements are inherently more difficult to manipulate than others. Moreover, I think that some ways of manipulating are inherently harder than others.

So juggling with clubs is harder than juggling with balls. Because clubs have an extra dimension to their being juggled: spin.
and Contact juggling with one ball is harder than juggling with one ball.

You can make juggling with one ball as hard as you like, but if you then tried to do a similar thing while 'contact' juggling it, I think it would be harder.

Still haven't found a staff spinny move I couldn't learn in an hour. That might be subjective, but it's also TRUE. And I think it's true for you too.

Really is the anti-spin hand movement sooo different from like a reverse double spin?

Go on, tell me, what is it about the figure of eight that you haven't learnt properly? Or better yet, make a bloody thread about it so we can have something spinny related to discuss... but noooooooo, that would be do easy wouldn't it? And after all, strugz already asked ya, but you obviously have no intention of any 'doing' only of the 'complaining'. if 'doology' wasn't such a gay american word, I'd use it here.

Are you trying to use "less effort" instead of EASIER. cos that's how I'm reading it.

I think it takes "less effort" to learn a figure of eight than an elbow wrap, "less effort" to practise it till it's smooth, and "less effort" to integrate it into your spinning.

" but that doesn't mean that if you find something to do with a 3 clubs of difficulty x, i can't find something to do with 3 balls that's difficulty x+1. Difficulty is chosen by the user, and the difficulty of an entire discipline not determined by it's entry level."

I would agree with this. Unfortunately though, I think all of spinning so far has a sort of ceiling of difficulty which isn't very high. Tell me something in spinning that is as difficult as elbow fishtails.

and obviously spinning doesn't have any names for combos... like pinwheel, or fountain...

(my anti-spin is normally reverse. so )

with a single staff, <slap>

reverse lynx?

non-contact! <slap>

seriously, does it really matter?

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(slap again)

just in case mcp missed......

of course its worth it - what else am i going to read this mornin!!!!

Oh and for the record - reverse lynx - of course its contact !?!

Well I enjoyed that. But sandy's coming down here this afternoon and to be sure I'm not going to think about a word of this and just have a wicked spinning session. so long suckers

i dunno you kinda hold the staff with your legs ...... is a figure 8 done with the staff pinched in the elbow contact .....

is a figure of eight with the staff stuck up your ass contact?



T&B: goddamn slack hippies! GET A JOB!

First of all, i want to make clear that i think megs obsession with "difficulty of trick=quality of trick" is a bit sad and obsessive

Surely being able to get things clean is a good thing, and the main problem of all contact i see is it's lack of cleanliness, which makes me disinclined to spend any more of my time learning it. Exactly like poi tangles in fact.

Also, you seem to be misunderstanding my complaints. I agree that complex spinning patterns are harder to describe than complex contact patterns, and wasn't asking for new stuff to get posted on HOP about spinny stuff. The reason i brought up the number of contact posts in the new moves thread was to highlight the imbalance which is also in effect wherever i hang around with staffers in the real world. Any time i try to hang out with a group of staff people, i usually end up wandering off after a few minutes of watching them do, yes, contact contact contact contact contact contact.

Having said that...

Well, to make a figure eight as hard as an elbow fishtail i'd probably start to add variations of movement of centre of rotation, dynamic phase change (pointing the stick in different directions relative to the pattern), dynamic timing variation and dynamic crossover point manipulation. The more demanding i make the changes that i'm aiming for, the harder the move gets.

Another question: If spinning is so easy, how come so many people can't learn anti figure 8?

Also: your "main" measure of difficulty is "qualifying" whereas mine seems to be "mastering". This makes your measure bounded, whereas mine is unbounded.

Ceiling of difficulty? Come outside girl, and stop looking at the world through your dirty windows