The HoP Card Manipulators Thread

i hope i'm not the only one on here.
a thread for anyone one who knows what a backpalm, a sybil cut, or a thumb is!

i'm more of a modern card manipulator, that is to say i'm more into 10packet cuts than i am into split fan productions. this can be seen as a much easier approach to card work (and that's probably true) but it is the way forward.

so.... anyone else?? (worth a shot ey, Ed?)

Ooh Pineapple Pete is very good with card manipulation and tricks.

*calls Petey over*

lol was just telling petey to get his arse in here

hey, i didnt know there was anyone else who did cards on here

i do a good deal of manipulation while i do sleight of hand magic. in the way of cuts the most packets i can get is about 6.

my front / back palming still needs practice, but is getting there. split fans are in need of alot of work.

in the way of other manipulation based magic i do a few nice packet vanishes, highly visual card changes and fan productions.

basically anything on the jeff mcbride dvds, i can do at a fairly low level, some of it better though.

my favorites in a manipulation routine usually include the popout move, the auto-magic-aces, a packet vanish, sometimes with a finale being card-on-knife by john bannon.

most of the time i tend to work on sleight based tricks, rather than manipulation, though i am lookng for some new cuts and shuffles.

cheers, pete

i got the jeff mcbride series too, but never got much further than the start of the second DVD.
i started with doing card tricks, but i think it's my jugglers mentality that's brought me into doing more flourishes and manipulation kind of stuff.
i may spend the summer trying to learn single productions and split fans.

i'm in the process of putting together a "i'm a big poncey showoff" magic video. i'll have to post it up here when i'm done. i'll end up starting "see who can do the quickest snap change" contests.

yeh, ive been tryin to get mcbrides "perfct production" down for a while, but havent done any work on it in ages.

recently ive been trying to routine a few tricks, so they all logically lead into one nice routine.

i could put a video up, but alot of my stuff uses a certain degree of misdirection. nonetheless, im gona try.

what cards do u use?

cheers, pete

bicycles! of course!!!!!
there's a 4 ace routine of mine in the video section, look it up.
this thread is just going to be me and you isn't it?

I don't know....i may come in every now and then just to get confused and be baffled with card trick lingo every now and then!

As a poker player and a manipulator, I'd love to learn more card stuff. Feel free to post links and or lists of moves for me to learn.

I can just about do a backpalm and some flicks that send cards careening wildly across my room, but that's about it.
Unfortunately, I've recently lost most of the time I had to practise in, since I now have a new job (which actually involves having work to do ), so I don't really see myself learning anything new for a while

i like jeff mcbride's hair. especially in this video

That vid is very cool Jo, nice find, good luck with your thread Larry, I will most likely return here when Im drunk tomorrow

I used to do a lot of card magic, more practical stuff, than manipulation....

the most I ever got into cuts was the BRS.

when I was on top of my game I was pretty good at passes....I had a nice little abitious card routine that I used to do.

havent done it in a couple years though.

now this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZy2oYRkT...ipulation%20XCM
is card manipulation taken way too far. Mr Tudor is possibly one of the best (and by that i mean most talented with cards, and fastest) card magicians around. unfortunatly he's an arrogant f##kwit.
watch that video a second time and notice how much you never actually saw the first time, just because he can't be arsed to talk over his magic. sorry, i'm ranting now. good video though

I just got my first pack of byciles for my birthday! i know a couple of fancy cuts but have no clue what they're called & constantly feel like my thumb is about 2mm too short, sometimes i find stuff easier with a normal deck but i'm determined to stick with the biycles!

do it, you need to learn with poker sized cards! well, at least that's what i think anyway

if you wanna learn to be a big poncey showoff there's a DVD out by MagicMakers called Showoff WIth Cards, most magicians slate it for being badly taught, but it's not really, and it's pretty cheap in comparison. covers everything from simple cuts, fans and changes. to some slighty complex stuff

what i'd love to see is a bunch of little kids, say about 4-5 year old, doing that kind of thing with a pack of Happy Family cards

that tudor vid is some of the most rediculous 'magic' i rekon ive seen. its really good manipulation, but they're just false cuts ans passes, done at lightening speed.

got a new book last night, the trick im workin on now is a poker routine, combined with a colour changing deck routine, combined with triumph its gona take me all night to get this 1 shuffle / strip out / block pushover down.

my spilt fans work with up to 7 softened bees, still need soo much work though.

*heads off in search of videos*

*comes back from videos*

im liking that popout move, mine still needs a bit of practice.

learnt my first classic ace assembly earlier today, for some reason ive left them out of my repetoire til now.

hehe, im gona have to come up with a routine that doesnt use much misdirection now

cheers, pete

i think that's the only 4 ace assembly bit i've ever done really. just because i saw someone do a similar one and thought i could take it up a notch.
i like that pop-out too. and it's so much easier than doing a fancy cut production then having to do a pass.
i can only do passes, good ones, with old decks really. but i can do them under peoples noses then though, woooo. adds an extra notch to the ACR routine

wait no. i forgot. i used to do mcdonalds aces (well, twos) which is basically a gimicked ace assembly, but much more impressive.

aight, ive been doin cards for hours, im off to bed.

cheers, pete

holy crap this is insane... hah... im in shock.. cheers for whoever can do anything like those two videos.

can do a fair chunk of the jeff mcbride one.
and i can do most of the brian tudor one,
just...a...lot....slower! and you know, with words, and make it actually seem more magical

hehe yeah..

ill post some coherence when ive had coffee

k, had coffee now.

been working on a routine this morning. basically i have 9 spectators each select a card from a shuffled deck, the ninth gets to sign theirs. all the cards are lost one at a time in the deck, then are found one at a time, each in a different manner. the card that was signed is pulled from my wallet which is in my pocket, though im thinking of changing that part to a less used card to pocket routine.

also working on a false shuffle with block push over, for this colour changing deck / triumph / poker routine

cheers, pete

bumpty bump.
ftoa Pete mainly i guess.
came up with a routine today where you throw a card of cards out into an audience, have one person pick a card, throw it to someone else, they pick a card... and so on. 3 people would be enough i think. then have the deck thrown back and without even picking it up you can name all their cards. of course, this is my first venture into stage card magic and therefor this is actually insanely easy to achieve. but may work, i'll post again when i've actually tried it out.

ok, that wasn't really card manipulation was it... er.... been learning split fan productions today, couldn't do it, went back to massive sybil cuts

yay, ive got my perfect productions down now, am starting to work on split fans now

How?????????

hi there folks,

Has anybody come across a deck of cards with 2 opposing corners cut off? They were supposedly casino cards but having seen some amazing manipulation, with normal decka of cards, I am very suspiscious of these cards.

Mark P x

mausy, its magic m'dear i rekon my version is better tough. it envolves fire and giving a rose to a female member of the audience

mark, its standard that when a casino sells its cards in a gift shop, they punch a hole in the deck, cut off a corner or alter the physical card in some way. this is to stop card cheats from slipping them in during a game. casino cards are often used as they are good quality and often fairly cheap

cheers, pete

Excellent ta pete,

I am going to have a play with a set though, having 2 opposite corners missing means that it is very easy to locate an upturned card an therefore shuffle it to the position you would like it.

Give it a month or so and I recon I will have a few more tricks up my sleeve

P x

http://www.nothingupmysleeve.co.uk/marketplace/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=186

you know you want to!
(well, Pete might)

tis a nifty little routine there, most of its fairly basic, but that little vanish could come in handy.

*gets out his deck*

cheers, pete

well, if you consider sybil cuts to be basic you must be quite good! if you're going to go using that vanish i'd appreciate you buying it (but then of course i would!)
got a new little booklette out yesterday, i'll get you a link when i get one

Hey guys, i was in the card manipulation scene a while back befor handlordz started going into the hype marketing.
Changing everything to EXTREME Card Manipulation.

Learnt pretty much all my stuff from The Encyclopedia of Playing Card Flourishes and bits and bobs from other forum members on Superhandz/Handlordz.
I was Stickman on the forums there.

Anyone else from handlordz/superhandz? Got Vids?

na larry, i learnt the exact same vanish from an old gary kurtz lecture

*runs to have a look at that encyclopedia*

the exact same one? eek, and i thought i came up with it! but even saying that, it's just tenkai vanish, but quicker, and with a deck, and no tenkai, or palm!

er...yeah.... i was bored the other day, and this video was the result http://media.putfile.com/boredagain-50

hnn, youve got some really nice cuts down there. i like that one handed 4 or 5 way cut

new trick down: darwin ortiz's 'jumping gemini'. basically its a packet trick, 4 cards. a two keeps jumping to the top of the packet. then the whole packet changes to 10s of diamonds then theyre all 4 cards are shown as all 4 kings. the moves are pretty basic, but trying to remember it all is hell

been working on turning cards into random stuff, and random stuff into cards. ie. someone picks a card, say the 5 of spades. i use my mental powers to learn its a 5. and say 'was it a 5' they say 'yes'. so, i pull out a 5 cent coin. i then turn that coin into their 5 of spades via tenkai

also, ive been reading 'strong magic' by darwin ortiz. if you havent heard of it, its a book entirely on magic theory and presentation. i was skeptical when i frist looked at it, but after reading the first couple of pages i realised how much gold is in it.

cheers, pete

only just learnt Jumping Gemini, and i always thought that was ont of the first things anyone learnt to do when getting into cards, it's a nice practise of a few moves. strange.
i'm reading Kenton Knepper these days, not qute cards really but magical anyway

yeh, i sorta skipped it, but now i want to see what sort of effect this basic trick will have on laypeople

cheers, pete

also, this afternoon ive devised a card to wallet routine. basically, seal an empty envelope, and sign their name accross the seal. the envelope is placed in a wallet, which is held by another spectator. i get the person who signed the envelope to pick a card, literally any card, and sign it. their card is found in the envelope

cheers, pete

for your jumping gemini please finish it with a packet switch rather than that god awful 4 kings bit. you can just switch in the needed kings. or, as i use to do, show the kings as is standard, placing them all face down, wait for someone to question it (as i've seen happen far too much) then do a packet switch for 4 jokers as you turn them over

ive been using a modified versa switch to switch out two cards for the other two kings

cheers, pete

thank the lord. i cringe everytime i see someone finish a jumping gemini the standard way.

i'm putting a DVD together soon. although with the amount of material i want to include it might run into 2 or 3 DVDs. the sandwich effects section has gone mad and gained about 7 extra tricks!

Just discovered that back=palm producing my new business cards knackers the out of them. buggery! i should've got them on lower quality card!! i will remember this for the future.
ah well, i'll use them for some form of mind reading effects instead then, and in no way as a form of shameless self promotion

now i need to find a way of producing the juggling clubs cards. gah! i could JUST hand them out i guess, but where's the fun in that?

produce them from your mouth, its always unexpected

i immediatly thought "ah ha, mercury fold" there, but that's even worse than the back palm for messing up the cards. i assume you just mean classic palm mouth production? think i'll go with that.

ordered a couple of decks of Ghost cards for manipulation madness under UV lights next week! woo

DLs have been very much refine today do to your advice. thankyou very much!

"classic palm production from the mouth" would be the technical term, yes

glad i could help

cheers, pete

i met Paul Daniels last night. woooooo
the next flyer i make up to promote anything magical i do is going to include at the bottom:
"a man who does magic" -Paul Daniels

ooo I have been trying to learn some card and coin manipulation but I REALLY need to stretch out some of my hand muscles..

hehe, i like it larry

have been really lazy with my card stuff recently, but learnt some new stuff today.

i learnt a version of ripped and restored (card torn into 4, visually restored) its pretty easy, just a couple of the visual bits ill need to see in a mirror before i try them.

also learn some nice mentalism by banachek (as if he would do anything else). ive learnt a few nice tricks that i would work nicely if addapted into a regular card routine.

any new tricks anyone?

Wow cool to see card manipulators here

I been doing this for a while now just been working on card controls

been working on sum tricks that would work towards a good ambitious card routine use a lot of double lifts

really like using the shapeshifter change

im just struggling getting sum sort of routine going at the mo

keep working at it ashley, if youre anything like me, youll never be happy with your ambitious card routine, always thinking you could do something more

it's so true, my ACR has started including tenkai top palm false replacements, and various other highly unnecessary slieghts! gah!
got a gig at uni next week, 50quid an hour! woooo, now if only hotmail would let me in so i can find out about it!

oo, sounding good larry

ill get round to making a propper video one day i swear

75quid for an hour and a half of work! excellente!!!!!
potentially going to be 2 of us too, oh this is getting good!

nice work!

also, i won an award recently at a monthly magic show, their 'young performer of the year award'. the irony being, the act i did at this 'magic' show, contained no magic at all i felt kinda weird not doing one sleight on stage at the show, but they requested a freak show, thats what they got :P

winner. i know the feeling though, i'll be breaking out the contact ball for the gig and doing a few armtwists. on that note, have you seen DisJointed? tis nice, in a freak kind of way.

yeh, i do it now and then, but it usually gets the whole 'have you seen this guy, david blane.. do you know how he does this trick where etc.."

i just go "choff David Blaine, that "stuntman","
he is to magic what chriss bliss is to juggling, kind of.

trying to put together a few 2 or 3 minute routines for the gig on friday. not going so well so far. beyond running ACRs then a few Sandwich effects. or moving onto a style of mentalism based pretty solely on forces. i dunno, i just need to string some things together properly

hey, i rekon thats a pretty good analogy. i used to think blanes style of magic was kinda cool and original. more recently, ive started to think he was just a lazy street magician. that may just be me looking from too circussy a point of view though.

mmm, i should really put a routine together, at the moment, whenever i get a gig it seems to be me doing a random selection of tricks, repeated for each group of people i get, so i cant help but think one day ill be asked to do a longer, single routine for a larger group of people. i should really keep practicing this one trick by ortiz, i forget the name. basically, nine cards are selected and signed, put in the deck, shuffled, and found one at a time. it would be a great finale to a routine i think.

on a random tangent, whats your views on gaff cards and the place they play in performing. nothing specific, just in general, gaff decks, gaff packet tricks, or just the use of a single gaff card in a normal deck.

cheers, pete

it depends really. i used to really hate the use of gimmicks and only concentrate on magic i could do with a deck of cards i could have borrowed from someone. but gimmicks have their place, i now carry round an Invisible Deck, there's some wonderuss stuff can be done with that. sometime i have a Chameleon Deck. and i seem to carry a one way deck all the time, which makes for a good ACR, force stranger card from a one way deck and dont have them sign it, then do a few of your ACR moves, then say "but of course, all the cards are just the same card, but in this case they're all [a different card]" and spread them face up (having got rid of the stranger obviously)

Gaff cards can be so good in the right situation

I used to be the same and hate gimmicks but after seein some of the reactions a gaff card can get on its own is awesum

add sum presentation and it can be golden

I too have the same problem routining it always seems to be random tricks need some nice flow of tricks

the gig last night went quite well. basically just performed the same 3 or 4 tricks on a bundle of people. we had a little competition going to see how many times you could get a classic for in, or a countdown force. i lost!

it's nice how much mentalism there is to be done without the fuss of actually becoming a mentalist.

the first step in the routine in my dreams
http://media.putfile.com/MCJ

Hey guys... What all can you do with a Svengali card deck?

i've been thinking quite laterally recently
http://media.putfile.com/TKP

can't say i've seen it but from the website i can't say i'd buy it. what is it you want to be learning?

I've been recommended to royal road to card magic, been finding "strange traveller" one of david blaines tricks seems to get people confused quite well

Hi there people

Its not card Manipulation as such. I need some advice on card magic - well im not gonna be using cards but same technique me thinx.
You know the trick where a card is chosen by audience. They then open seasled envelope and find same card in there.
I presume there is some switch of envelope card to picked card.
I want to ask audience member for a colour, then 'magically' appear that colour from the envelope.
HOW?
Thanks in advane
Peas

well asking for ANY colour will make this a little harder, unless you're just going to pass Green off as Forrest green or something. if you gave people a choice of a few colours it wouldn't be too hard.
you could have multiple envelopes and switch to the one you need, or have an envelope with multiple colours in it and just not show the rest. a bundle of ways. i imagine the easiest way would be to have a preselected (by yourself) colour in said envelope and then force someone to pick the same one, possibly from a selection of coloured cards
(that'd be the way i'd do it, probably because it's the easiest way)

No im gonna ask someone what their favourite colour is and then appear it from an envelope. I had thought about having multiple envelopes but there would have to be too many.
I was also thinking about getting them to write it down fold it and then magic that from the envelope?
What you rekon how do I do?

if you get someone to write it down and fold it up then you could "predict" what colour they've picked using the age old center tear method.
as for having them call one out and then remove that from an envelope. Marc Oberon has a couple of effects on the market that utilise exactly that principal, but will probably end up being rather expensice to buy and then adapt.

as a side note, i taught Mr Oberon (magician of the year) how to do a bit of contact juggling. just thought i'd throw that in there.

just learnt the erdnase colour change and have it quite smooth my biddle trick is coming on too

oooooo a card thread

anybody been doing any stacking? i got this:book thanx to sym and its wicked. ive already built a temple

stacking the deck means something very different to me!!
let's see that Erdnase then Mynci! I still say you can't go far wrong with a good old classic change!

indeed I learn the ambitious card yesterday with a couple of nice variations I seem to be learning the simple tricks at a rate of 1 a day I'll do a video and post it up

and a new deck on it's way to me red bicycle gaff

don't tell me you bought that god-awful £20 gaff deck? ellusionist are ruining magic!

£20 pah I got it for a £10 which isn't too bad gives a bit of variation that will create surprise my friend sam is a very good magician and he's got loads of bits and bobs and very handy to have a professional street magician to help me learn and practice tricks on before I try it on the public and give away any secrets.

I filmed my erdnase last night and will post it as soon as i get my lady off my pc and can upload it now that'll WILL be a trick it looks a lot different from the front I was pleasantly surprised at how smooth it was.

right here it is the second quick change is smoother even since I uploaded the video now

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3JtsxQTBcfU

nice crotch lee

nice going mynci

thanks pete... and bubbles something for magicians AND the ladies

okay here's another video with less crotch and much more manipulation

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3127386599538682030

swish!

thank you took about an hour of practice to get that I need to work out a few things for publlic performance but it's nice to have a variety of colour changes rather then just the common ones

in my opinion, it's one of those colour changes that you can't really do all that well in public, just because it's a bit angly and whatnot. although saying that, I use ones like this http://media.putfile.com/Change-78 quite a lot and it has the same sort of problems
when it comes down to it with colour changes you can still get the best kind of reactions from a good old classic change, or even a shapeshifter or erdnase.

coin magic is the way forward now, thankyou david stone!

nice I only have 1 coin trick, it's not something I'm particularly good at.

Just started learning card manipulation, mostly flourishes cuts & one handed shuffles so far but I'll probably move onto some sleight of hand tricks although they look like they take a long time to learn before they're convincing

I know this is an old thread, but I want to know who is currently still working on XCM or Extreme Card Manipulation.

I agree with much that has been said in this thread but I'd like to add with the new talents that have emerged and the superhandz community getting bigger, what can flow and fire artists add?

De'vo has some pretty wicked fire tricks with cards now. Does any one else?

Dan and Dave Buck, have opened up the door for some wicked new things. Any one else working on stuff by them?

Does any one at HOP have a clean King Cobra Cut?

Right Starting into the coin magic now, i realised i can practice without needing to carry props around I have everything I need on me and I can practice the flourishes whilst watchiing telly. 2 handed knuckle rolls down! thanks to the first few seasons of stargat SG1 back to back over Xmas.

Now to go through Sankeys introduction to coin magic. Any recommendations for good teachers of Coin magic let me know.

Shadowless Tyger - How about card juggling. 1 deck in each hand, Flick a card so it circles round and catch it in the other deck on the other side repeat with opposite side and you can have a groovy constant flow of cards from side to side. I'm not there but it's an idea.

I like the idea, the only way I can think of doing it is with the 'long distance spinner' with half a deck in each hand. Testing it out now.

Okay that is a bit too difficult, I'll try to get a 3-card cascade clean first.

lol I can do with 1 hand but my left is aweful, perhaps a shower always going one way.

I know someone who passes the deck behind the back to flick so it leaves from the left to arrive on the right.

Mynci: Apparently the stuff put out by the New York Coin guys (David Roth, Mike Gallo and Mike Rubintein) is really good, magic-wise. There is also a *lot* of it. (16 volumes of DVDs, which are about 4 DVDs each I think. Something stupid like that.) See here: http://www.newyorkcoinmagic.net/

Also worth looking into is Marion Boykin and Vinny Marini. Their stuff is here: http://www.vinnymarini.com/ and they have a good rep on providing additional help, if you need it. Most of MB's stuff is gaffless, which I at least like.

Otherwise, the Magic Café is a good resource in general.

I view coins as really abstract juggling though.

Thansk Aston.

I'm mixiing it up a ittle at the moment. trying to keep a coin palmed all day at work whilst doing other things and practicing cards in the evening. spent all weekend practicing my thumb fan and started to get it nice and smooth now.

*The* standard coin reference is Bobo's New Modern Coin Magic. (Modern Coin Magic is a slightly shorter book, but still good.)

Are you doing flourishes and such? Any resources you can recommend? (Why am I even considering another hobby‽)

i am aiming to improve my coin and deck dexterity yes but also looking to try and learn a trick between each one.

I have the overhand shuffle controls, false cuts etc, Thumb fan, double coin roll (down the knuckles) a quite good variety for the ambitious card routine mixing it up with shuffles and even popping the card back out after going and doing another trick, which was pretty hard but I'm sure a more practiced magician could do it no problem using a much simpler method.

I have only have bobo's modern coin magic, the shame of it is many "gentlemen" today don't wear ties out and about or handkercheifs and I certainly don't wear trousers with turn ups so a few of the tricks need to be modified for current fashions.

I'm also working through royal road to card magic which is pretty good. I'm trying to do what it says and not rush and master a chapter at a time, luckily I already have some of the techniques so I don't need as much practice. I was a bit disappointed on the colour change chapter as I already know several changes which to my mind are a bit more useable but I will still attempt to master those.

The good thing about coins and cards is a lot of it you can do whilst sitting watching TV or reading a book if cold and raining outside, because the aim is to NOT look at what you're doing so it's almost like making the most of down time rather than finding more time to do something else. Of course I'm old (as you've mentioned before ) so I need to find things that won't rip my back apart like contact staff can

oh I also joined a forum (magic bunny) they can be quite helpful on there it's not too large but has a lot of reviews and easy to find sources for beginners. most agree with bobo and royal road but people throw in what they found useful depending on if you want to learn coins, cards, kids magic or mentalism.

I really want one of these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D81Qb1puKh4
meant to be OK for beginners too to give a great vanish from reveiws I've read (even with a puff of smoke lol)
however i want to learn proper sleights so I don't need to rely on gimmicks. i want to be able to do good things with a borrowed deck or coin.

Exactly my view as well.

Royal Road does sound like the gold standard for cards, but I have not really looked into them.

The sleights in Bobo are solid though, even if you have to modify them some. Coin through pocket is fun. There are also a bunch of other, newer references that are apparently very good, and include some things that were developed after Bobo.

I have heard good things about Richard Kaufman's coin book from the 90s, but have not seen a copy as yet.

I am less interested in card magic, but the flourishes look like interesting exercises.

Thanks for piquing my interest again, I shall have to dig out my coins. (Current South African coins are actually a too small for me to work with easily at this stage, sadly. So I may not get the "borrowed coin" ability for a while.)

I know how you feel, although a 2p coin here is a little smaller than a US half dollar and the £2 coin a little larger so I at least have suitable equivalents which work well with the coin change I can turn a copper into gold! lol.

I have just got royal road on DVD as well to help with cards and finally succumbed to the Dragon. Bought it this morning and I will give a little review when I've had a chance to play and get used to it it's only £25 so I can probably afford it.

I struggle with the coin flourishes other than the knuckle rolls. My hand shape just seems more suited to cards having a much longer 3rd finger than my little finger so to roll out the coins between each is quite trickyas my little finger finishes before the knuckle of the top phalanx of my ring finger so struggles to reach across to my middle finger.

I do have a health supply of Half Dollar coins though. I had a friend come over and bring me $10 worth and swapped them for a $20 bill so saved on postage, exchange rate and profit from buying them online

Does anyone on here have any good suggestions for helpful material to perfect the Diagonal palm shift? It's a move I think will be very useful for some other effects I am trying to learn.

Another good forum to join is the magic cafe, www.themagiccafe.com

heaps of good stuff there

I would but they have no obvious link to register

they aren't taking new members at the moment. I'll try magic bunny.

That's bit naff, I hadn't realised that they had stopped taking new members

I know I looked on the how to register and it was still saying to click the link at the top of the page (which wasn't there) I found a nother buried link which came up with the message not taking new members

not to worry I have found the resourses I need for the DPS. I'm looking for good technique for card to wallet without using a giant unrealistic no palm wallet. I just got the JOL Billfold wallet and want to make sure I can use it well.