Fire resistant goop

I've been hunting around the forums for info on what sorts of things are helpfully fire resistant, but I've got a few questions still. (not that I'm going to be using any fire myself for a loooong time, just starting out)

Hair seems to be a difficulty sometimes for those working with fire. Wetting it only works for so long, and wet cloth is apparently not a good option with the risk of steam burns. I keep remembering the shots of Rammstein concerts I've seen-- they always have themselves slathered in some kind of fire-resistant goop that actually looks pretty nifty and spiky in their hair. What IS that stuff, and is there some form of it that's easy to get / nontoxic?

...........many people seem to think that vasoline is fire resistant but in fact any petrol derived chem. is most def. not......

theres supposedly 2 things that help but dont ask me where to find them...i havnt been able to...

a burn cream called "barrier cream" for skin and whatnot...

for clothing biofax 2000

neither have i been able to find but who knows...you might have more luck

Flame resistant gel isnt really necessary when spinning fire. Its overkill really. Of course, you dont want to burn your hair but its harder to do than it may sound. Oddly enough, of all the fire spinners on this site, I dont think any of them are bald due to fire related accidents. Tieing your hair up/wetting it/covering it is more precaution than is really required.

I remember the Burning Man decompression party in NY... My second spin on stage wasnt going too well, just wasnt feeling it. My hair wasnt covered or protected in any way and somehow, I went and clocked myself right in the side of the head with a brightly burning wick. Sure enough, I had a nice size patch of burnt hair on the side of my head... But in the end it wasnt really too noticable and looked just fine when I got my hair cut the next week.

Still curious as to what it is, it looks pretty nifty-- although if it's toxic it's not worth it, and it probably wouldn't be great on long hair.

Just what sorts of substances ARE fire-resistant? If it's oil-based in any way (like you say about vaseline), it's outright flammable. If it's water based it'll dry up pretty quick and may cause steam burns anyway.

What else is there?? I can't think of any other type of substance that's liquid at room temperature (cept mercury, which doesn't even remotely qualify)

oil as in petrol...what about a lotion??
or maybe the guy was just plain greasy...

Lotions are primarily made of oil.

Grease also = oil.

Whatever goo the Rammstein guys is using is white-- sometimes it looks almost bluish or silver. It's VERY flame-resistant, those people douse themselves in crazy pyrotechnics for hours.

what about a metal paste??? like a heat reflective paste....like how we use metal tape on our staff to ensure that the tips dont burn

I know what you are talking about.

They've used this stuff for ages. It's called "Zel Gel", named after it's creator, Gary Zeller.

http://www.zeller-int.com

-Brian

WOW is that stuff ever obscure... for something that's won an academy award it sure is practically nonexistent. There's only that one page of info and it doesn't say what's in it. Just that it's water-based and comes in liquid and solid forms. Wonder what the heck it really is.

How'd you hear about it?

It's hard to find mostly because they don't want to sell it to just anyone. Imagine the kinds of havoc that would ensue if teenagers across america got a hold of this stuff. People would be unsuccessfully trying to do full body burns like in the movies, and ending up hospitalized. I think to buy it from Zeller, you have to sign a disclaimer. It apparently comes in 2 or 5 gallon buckets.

I spend about 30 minutes using Google to search for it. There's some obscure reference to "Zel Jel" but I think it's also known as "Stunt Gel". Make sure you stay away from "Fire Gel", as I believe the words "Fire Gel" are now used to describe a highly flammable Fire Gel used in candles and other applications.

I've seen this stuff when watching behind-the-scenes documentaries on stunt work. Usually you see it used not only for the hair, but the whole burn stunt suit is soaked in this stuff before a stunt.

-Brian

Fire Gel for spinners can actually cause more harm than good.
It causes the skin to be slippery, and leads to a false sense of security. It still warms up and you can still be burned, which is why it is usually slathered over kevlar clothing (such as the types stunt men/race car drivers wear).

These are usually only available to licensed Pyrotechnics anyway.

Biofax and other dips are just that. They are theatrical or upholstery dips that are used for curtains and carpets.
www.theaterhouse.com sells them. Again, they tend to be overkill for those who do not spin often or are not professional.

They leave a white-ish film on fabric, and everytime the fabric is washed it must be redipped, so it is not cost effective for the backyard spinner.

In the HoP articles there is one about fabrics and their burn times, and relative safety. Check it out.
Stick to heavy-ish natural materials and do not put on lotions, sunscreens, bugsprays, etc. before spinning.

As for hair, I have been doing this for years. I have always had longish hair and I have never done anything but pull it back and make sure it is damp (not soaked, just damp). I don't even cover my head.

I appreciate your level of concern though.

Hope this helps!

so...what about barrier cream?

before i start gnarly i am not taking a shot at you so dont take this wrong.

Most of the people who throw up a crap and go overboard about safety are people who either havent spun fire yet or are still relatively un-experianced in it.

After a while you realise that as long as you are sensible. Fire poi, Staff, Meteor and various other toys are quite safe as long as you know what the hell to do if the unlucky event of clothing catching fire does happen.

really all you need to stay safe while spinning is the proper extinguishing materials (a small fire extinguisher and fire blanket)
and the correct type of clothes. Throw a hat on your head (i prefer a jamaican style tam) and i predict you will have a safe and long happy life spinning your favourite fire toy. If you go too far worrying about safety your just not going to have any fun.

Now i am just as much as a safety nazi as your regular pele.
But i remember that poi and staff are about one thing. good safe fun

oh yeah. and dont fire breath. it kills people

I would actually not use Barrier Cream in combination with fire.

The SDS Sheet for Barrier Cream states "Hazardous decomposition products: If this product is involved in a fire, toxic products of combustion could be liberated. Use selfcontained breathing equipment anduse fire fighting equipment to suit the source of the fire."

http://www.e-hygienesystems.com/coshh/sheets/Barrier%20Cream.pdf