All about flowers

 Written by: Sporky


But going by Richee's definition a flower isn't really a move in its own right but a longarm extension of of an existing move. For instance butterfly flower is simply an extension of butterfly and weave flower is the same but for a weave.

 Written by: Sporky


To take my train of thought to its extreme - there are only two 'moves', normal circles at your sides and butterfly, everything else is merely a way of extending an existing move.

I brushed upon that a while ago somewhere - where are the boundaries between moves?
To me, if you're doing a fountain and start putting a windmill at the top, you're no longer doing a fountain - you're now doing a windmill. Others say that they're just doing a variation of a standard fountain.
Should we have set definitions for each individual move or should we just lump them into large families of related moves?
I'm going to have to have a proper think about that I reckon. It might take a while

 Written by: Matty B


names of 'moves' are just useful to get your point across to others and to make teaching others easier

I guess they are just a combination of different circles, throws, stalls and taps

 Written by: TheBovrilMonkey


Should we have set definitions for each individual move or should we just lump them into large families of related moves?

I think that kinda happens anyway. We have set defenitions for teaching but when the evolution of our spinning gets to a certain point we start thinking more about keeping the poi flowing and not the individual moves themselves. At the moment all I have to think about when spinning is linking the 'butterfly' family with 'weave' based moves.

But then I'm probably thinking too much

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can some 1 please tell me how i can do a nice flower?,i cant grasp them,any help would be great but with out all the pendulem and isolation stuff bacause i dont really understand it,i just enjoy spinning.

 Written by: suibom


Everything I've learned has been self taught, mostly from watching vids, somewhat from reading posts (I suck at visualizing a move from text), alot of practice and playing with plane control. As far as flowers and antispin flowers go, here's a breakdown exercise that should help you out (somewhat reposted from a post of mine at the "Poi, Glowsticks and Twirling" group):

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"About to embark upon flowers i reckon... not really sure where else to go. Anyone got any tips? Had a play with them once or twice and brain and arms dont seem to want to connect!"

Easiest way I've found to train muscle memory for flowers is:
1. Work the arm movements w/out poi, do longarm split time forward rotations, backstroke and butterfly (longarm rotations at sides going opposite directions). This will help loosen the arms for when you've got poi in them.

2. Work the arm movements with poi in one hand only, focus on wrist movement and arm extension. Try and get the poi to meet your body at every 90 degree turn of your arms. As you begin to get better, pay less attention to your poi arm and focus on the extension and location of the poiless arm, this will help to ensure muscle memory is taking over. Then switch arms.

3. Now start with both poi. Again, focus on arm extension and wrist movements. Try and get your poi to meet center at the same time.

Once you get good with basic flowers, try antispin and turns.
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Use the same steps above for antispin. Now, if you're hitting yourself when spinning, it is due to plane control. Planes are best controlled by wrist and finger movements, so, when running through the steps above, focus on wrist and finger movements to keep the planes straight.

HTH, good luck,
- Sui

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Coleman

its one of the reasons (if not the main reason) that discussion of fountains caused so much confusion back in the day.