#44385 - 03/08/02 09:39 AM
Manipulation - the same in many languages ;)
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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YAY YAY YAY! Week-end of joy and break through... I always knew that juggling was manipulation... I had heard it discussed a couple of times amongst various jugglers. This weekend I realised it in practice! I know many of you will know this moment WELL and some of you wont be able to fully understand what I'm really chatting about... I basically picked up my pois and thought I'd let it flow to practice 'performing.' I dont know quite how it happened. um... drug induced trance maybe?! I just zoned out and let the pois guide me... I practiced and practiced and practiced and after a point I realised that those things in my hands were objects that I was manipulating to make shapes, patterns, sequences... They werent pois, there was no such things as a 'move.' Its felt as though they were extensions of my arms which I had full pivotal/twirling control over... It was one of the most amazing experiences! I really know what it feels like now; not just 'YAY spinny pretty things' and 'wow, check out this new move.' FULL control... Beauty! Peace! That lovely state of focused, transcendental meditation! I was and still feel on top of the world. A new experience has begun and I am fully enjoying the ride... Much love, drome ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#44386 - 03/08/02 10:49 AM
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Registered: 23/12/00
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
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Yay little pixie!!! It's a nice feeling isn't it. Love and Light, Finn ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
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#44387 - 04/08/02 12:45 AM
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Tantamount to fatuity
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Mr Kato likened it to "being touched by and in touch with the gods".
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#44388 - 03/08/02 01:42 PM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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Amazing way to describe it! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#44389 - 03/08/02 02:39 PM
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Registered: 18/07/01
Loc: Stroudsburg, PA, USA
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Mmmmmmmmmm
the feeling of control
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#44390 - 03/08/02 08:35 PM
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Classically British
Registered: 23/09/01
Loc: Epsom, Surrey, England
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Ooops,err sorry ShizNot, that was me...
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#44391 - 04/08/02 02:19 AM
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Registered: 03/12/01
Loc: Oxford, U.K.
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what ever floats your boat
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#44392 - 04/08/02 08:20 AM
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The Ministry of Manipulation
Registered: 08/11/01
Loc: Bristol
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#44393 - 04/08/02 08:35 AM
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enthusiast
Registered: 04/01/02
Loc: Canada, Ontario, Toronto
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Sounds bewtiful *runs out to play with poi seeking same experience* sigh....but knows deep down that it will not come whilst seeking it...but runs out anyways ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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#44394 - 04/08/02 05:10 PM
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Tantamount to fatuity
Registered: 30/07/01
Loc: Down the road
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It might come if you call it though. I think it answers to Mitsy.
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#44395 - 05/08/02 05:03 PM
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Registered: 11/07/02
Loc: Ontario
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i agree its one of the best feelings ever *feels good just thinking about it* and nicely put too, my only problem is keeping it when i try a new move. ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif)
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#44396 - 05/08/02 05:13 PM
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Tantamount to fatuity
Registered: 30/07/01
Loc: Down the road
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I have a witty response to your post Stella but, I fear, you'll just ignore it so it shall remain unspaken.
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#44397 - 05/08/02 06:51 PM
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still can't believe it's not butter
Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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drome - 'tis a funny that you should post this now, as the deepest trance I have ever had during a twirl was last sat night (performing doubles + sharpy/burny) to cut a long story short, I cleared my mind and new moves and combinations came to my mind as I performed them and each jump and flip was performed with straight legs and firm landings - at several points I forgot there was anyone around. such a beautiful feeling! my meditative traces are soo much clearer now that deliberate negative emotions/smoking/caffeine are no longer part of my life. To feel the avalanche of great ideas when you free your head is so surprising! The only downside was that I had a bit of a headache while everything in my vision grew curly tips that kept wriggling lazily like worms. The question must be asked where such enormous serendipity comes from. My esotericism teacher discourages use of ****, explaining that such consicousness is only developed through years of hard, disciplined spiritual work, and that use of **** temporarily reveals only a hint of it, cheating if you will. That reason alone was powerful enough for me to quit smoking anything and even stop drinking/taking caffeine (all of which cloud the mind!) This issue is definitely become the focus of my life now, as it central to the way i structure the way i live, from firetwirling to karma debt!
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#44398 - 05/08/02 06:59 PM
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Tantamount to fatuity
Registered: 30/07/01
Loc: Down the road
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My pseudo sword spinning practice has lead to great advances in my poi spinning - and my double staff - it's strange where you find inspiration and new hope.
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#44399 - 05/08/02 09:08 PM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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We all have Karmic debts to solve people to meet and people to share energy with Tis good that some are on the right track! I meditate in many ways besides my pois/staff/juggling... I dont think its 'cheating' seeing as you are focusing on one thing when you reach the trance like state described, which, in essence is meditation. I do doubt you will reach enlightenment by practicing poi as that does take many years of dicipline and practice... Thanks for sharing bender Much love to all, drome ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#44400 - 05/08/02 11:12 PM
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Registered: 02/12/01
Loc: Southampton
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Good on you mate! Inside the vortex life is all good... ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#44401 - 07/08/02 09:26 AM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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C@ntus: Inspiration can be easily found in beauty whether physical or not ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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#44404 - 07/08/02 04:44 PM
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Registered: 11/07/02
Loc: Ontario
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aaaah c@ntus, i might not have ignored your witty post, i might have appreciated your humour. that was very cool to hear about bender. im falling asleep at computer must finish pos...............
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#44405 - 07/08/02 10:09 PM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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You Aussies never cease to amaze me! I will get my ass to australia some day... Then we can have one of those trancendental chats over a large *l*ff. C@ntus I'd love to see some of your work! I am thinking about what I said and inspiration can also be found in deep dark places... My other halfs art for about 3 years was fueled by angst and fear... Much love to you all, drome ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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#44406 - 20/08/02 10:20 AM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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fogotten ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif)
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#44407 - 20/08/02 05:27 PM
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still can't believe it's not butter
Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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forgot what? ![[Confused]](images/icons/confused.gif) ..let's wear some afghan wigs!
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#44408 - 20/08/02 05:30 PM
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Registered: 21/12/01
Loc: San Diego, California, USA
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#44409 - 20/08/02 06:39 PM
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still can't believe it's not butter
Registered: 14/11/01
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
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shhhhhhh! /whispers to drome hey I'm hoarding the beards we had agreem- hey wait you aren't kinudin!!
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#44410 - 20/08/02 10:23 PM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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nope not kinudin but i think the beard idea goes down well!
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#44411 - 21/08/02 09:08 AM
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Registered: 18/07/01
Loc: Stroudsburg, PA, USA
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look at me I have FULL control *gets smacked between the eyes*
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#44412 - 29/08/02 06:06 AM
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old hand
Registered: 26/10/01
Loc: Bath, England
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yeah drome ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) thanks for directing me towards this one! This is exactly what I was trying to get across I can remember when this one was first posted and I read the first couple of posts - I still hadnt had the breakthrough where everything became simple in my mind and it seemed that I could just use thought to control the flight path of my poi, concentration on where I would like them to go and just letting my arms and body move at free will to get them there. It really is like a feeling of enlightenment that clears all thoughts or worries Mark P
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#44413 - 30/08/02 11:59 PM
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knowntobeinsane
Registered: 20/05/02
Loc: wanderingaroundtheglobe
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It actually CAN be defined as a meditation (of sorts) because you are focusing all your energy into one thing. If you just let it go past learning tricks into the stuff straight from your heart then all is well and they shall soon be flowing so freely you wonder whether you are putting effort in! Much love, drome ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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