#443445 - 25/12/04 03:31 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: Cantus]
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Registered: 28/08/02
Loc: sheffield
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Written by: native
i would verry much like to see a fire spinning mag. it would be verry usefull if there was interviews had list and pics of new and upcoming fire products......
Written by: MEERCAT
I would definatly buy a magazine on fire,...........
Many people seem to think that spinning=fire.
I'm one of those who don't; to me spinning is about spinning poi, staffs, meteors etc- working on skills, mainly without fire, then, as a little extra thing, doing it with fire.
I was under the impression that this thread was about a spinning magazine, which would include stuff on fire arts, but not as the main focus of it.
One thing I notice about Peles list of failed magazines-
Written by: Pele
Burn Syndicate. E-Zine. ..........
Fire Magazine.....
Spin and Burn......
is the emphasis on fire in the titles.
I suspect that a new magazine which emphasised fire would not do too well, as
1. some of the potential readership may be put off due to perceived dangers
2. if, as is quite possible, bad publicity about fire arts continues to grow (ie the stuff we've seen about deaths/serious accidents with breathing and other, admittedly not spinning but it all gets tarred with the same brush, fire incidents that have resulted in the clampdown on insurance for fire performers) then any magazine primarily focused on fire will suffer
3. I believe that most of the 'semi-spinning' public, like the people who bought loads of copies of that recent poi book, are more interested in learning some spinning skills, rather than fire
I think that a successful magazine will be about spinning skills, other skills (diablo, juggling, unicycling), with occasional good accurate articles on fire and safety.
We've had precedents of successful magazines along those lines, such as (in circus/juggling) the UKs 'Catch' (now defunct but it had a good long run) and the European 'Kascade' (which is possibly still going?).
IMO, keep fire out of the title, and have fire articles as an occasional part of it, rather than tying it in too strongly with fire arts.
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#443446 - 25/12/04 06:11 PM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: mech]
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Addicted to Caffeine
Registered: 07/11/04
Loc: Manalapan New Jersey
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Great idea, yeah, it would take a lot to get it started, but I think that a lot of people would buy it. I would pay for it. I'm basically on my own spinning out here and would definitly like to feel at least a bit more connected to spinners. It gets lonley down here in the suburbs of New Jersey.
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#443447 - 25/12/04 07:08 PM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: JayKitty]
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your new best enemy
Registered: 06/06/04
Loc: over the river, through the wo...
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same as above... except that I'm in the suburbs or mass damn the northeast scene... or lack there of rather
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#443448 - 26/12/04 11:21 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: jaero]
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Is hopefully back for good
Registered: 22/12/04
Loc: Hampshire College, MA, USA
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i'd buy it. i'm not interested in whether or not its a good idea int he end, if enough people just give it a little faith it'll fly. ben sounds like he's got it worked out, so what's the harm? i'd love to get a poi mag.  nobody seems to be in the dc area either
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#443450 - 26/12/04 04:18 PM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: mech]
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comfortably numb
Registered: 08/07/04
Loc: The countryside
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International shipping fees is what I'm worried about.
But as long as I'm in it I'll buy it.  Nah I'm kidding, I think it's a fantastic idea.
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#443451 - 29/12/04 05:21 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: roarfire]
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Aotearoan Adventurer
Registered: 11/04/03
Loc: New Zealand
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Shipping fees aren't such a problem.
I'm happy to sort the european print job out.
I do a lot of printed graphics, our last big job cost about £45,000 to print. So I get super cheap prices.
I have friends who i''m sure will be happy to distribute the mags for europe
Then roger and ben just need to sort out printing for the US and Oz. Printing in SF should be easy, and pretty cheap ~ don't know about australia as I have to get stuff printed in UK and sent to Oz on a regular basis.
From the printers point of view they will need to print at least 10,000 to make it worth their while. Are we gonna get rid of that many in 3 months??? I doubt it. I suggest for the first issue to make it an anual.
Cost comes down if you have a multiple of 16 pages, you must have a multiple of 4 pages. So we are probably looking at something like 48 A4 (legal) pages plus a separate cover. Probably use 90gsm paper with perhaps 200gsm gloss cover. Full colour throughout? If you want black and white it will have to be for a set of 16 pages. I'll get a quote for 10,000 print job at this spec (unless anyone wants to change it) So at least everyone gets an idea of the cost.
The mailing costs will be about the same as print cost, but this comes down if it is sent as part of a bigger order.
Apart from that i think it can work. Will people buy it? maybe. Will it pay for itself? almost definitely.
my 2 cents,
m
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#443452 - 29/12/04 06:24 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: TheWibbler]
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Still wiggling
Registered: 22/10/02
Loc: Belfast
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"So we are probably looking at something like 48 A4 (legal) pages plus a separate cover. Probably use 90gsm paper with perhaps 200gsm gloss cover. "
I'd agree with that... sounds nice. And I reckon B&W would definitely be best for at least part - cheaper.
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#443453 - 30/12/04 05:52 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: mech]
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Member
Registered: 21/06/04
Loc: glasgow
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a magazine is a good idea. i sometimes use the free online lessons or if i want to practise a move ive seen its usually when im outside in the garden or in a wide open space, so a computer is useless as ic ant carry it outside with me, but a mag ould be great for people to exchange tips and moves and to see some new pictures and to see whats happeing around the poi world and up date each qaurter what events are on. if you have the means i say go for it, i could name a lot of ppl who would buy it.
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#443455 - 30/12/04 09:38 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: Kupsch]
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Registered: 27/08/02
Loc: Warwickshire
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Written by: NYC
I don't think spinners would buy it.
I agree. Nice idea, but as we all use the net already, why not just make it web based? If you get free help from professional designers (ie not PHPNuke) then it can be just as glossy as paper, without the cost.
I've been involved in the past with a reasonably large (32,000 readers a month) paper based magazine in the area of festivals/campaigning/free parties which existed purely off donations and advertising. It lasted for 10 years, but most months we wouldn't break even. Some people gave five pounds, some even twenty, but the average donation was about 2p (UK). If you can make it web based you'll reach more people any shouldn't loose any money (especially if you use HoP as the server, i'm sure Malcolm would welcome it).
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#443456 - 30/12/04 10:56 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: flid]
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Compulsive Knitter
Registered: 30/05/03
Loc: Bristol
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but there's loads of spinners who can't or don't use the internet - and there's not really much opportunity for them to get hold of stuff like this.
maybe it needs thinking about, but i think it's worth it for all those peeps who aren't on HoP etc.
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#443457 - 30/12/04 01:58 PM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: Tao Star]
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trusty sidekick to superman
Registered: 23/02/03
Loc: oxford, england, uk
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yeah i know what you mean! not including those poi-ers I met a PiP, a pretty darn high percentage of poi-ers Ive met don't come on here. Might be hard to let the poi world that dont use the internet know of it tho?
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#443458 - 31/12/04 06:59 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: stroo]
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Registered: 27/08/02
Loc: Warwickshire
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>but there's loads of spinners who can't or don't use the internet internet cafes, work, school, libraries, etc? http://www.ufi.com/ukol/ (UK) I don't beleive many people in the 1st world who claim they have no internet access, a lot are just being lazy because they don't have it at home. Online gives much more possibilities (ie Video), but a well designed page should be printable (or have a print option), to give copies to people who geniunely don't have access to the net.
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#443459 - 31/12/04 01:47 PM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: flid]
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Compulsive Knitter
Registered: 30/05/03
Loc: Bristol
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ok, they might have access, but there's other reasons too, maybe they're just not as comfortable with the internet as other people, lots of people still aren't.
anyway, a paper version gives different benefits, for one you can take it anywhere, keep re reading it, tear bits out and put them on your noticeboard, lend it to your mates etc. etc.
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I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
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#443460 - 02/01/05 11:02 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: ben-ja-men]
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So charmingly heathen, your skin is like a teardrop on a popsickle.
Registered: 10/10/04
Loc: Nuneaton
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oh oh most deffenatly and i would pay no more than £5 i do not usually buy magazines as there are never of any interest so i do not mind paying a bit more, hmmmm as for what would be in it, may be how to's as well as a bullitin board etc, you could also do high lights from all over the country/world or something. i hope ones comes out i want to buy it now
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#443461 - 02/01/05 06:56 PM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: GothFrogette]
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addict
Registered: 26/09/04
Loc: Sunshine Coast
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I'd buy it! I need all the help I can get. Might get more people involved in spinning if they see it for sale around the place. I know it's hard to find other local spinners so it would be great to see advertisments for get to gethers in your local state.
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#443462 - 08/01/05 06:10 AM
Re: Spinning Magazine - would you buy one?
[Re: Kupsch]
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The Ladiees Man
Registered: 05/11/04
Loc: near swindon/ oxford
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that would be really cool, will it cover all other toys too?
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