Atomic weaves

Just realized that these beauties havent been discussed before, so lets talk! And Rev, you are not allowed to write more than 2 pages in every post

My interpretation of Atomic weaves: A weave where the planes are 90 degrees apart. Same hand movement as in a weave. Splittime.

You can more or less do everything with atomic weaves that you can do with normal ones (turning, bhb . . .)
BUT - There seem to be 2 different categories: 3 beat and 5 beat. The interesting thing: You are not able to change from one to the other unless you break the planes 180 degree! Either you spin in a 3 beat pattern or in a 5 beat one. They are as far away from each other as Butterflies and Weaves!
So you can transition with one 90 degree plane change like this:

..................................Weaves...............................
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3B Atomic weaves...................5B Atomic weaves
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................................Butterflies...............................


Rev, please tell me that you understand this diagram!

Where are the geeks ?!?

andy

This is still baffling me, i don't think i can do an atomic weave but I haven't had one shown to me yet, we NEED video people!

and what has been shown looked more like the notcoleman movements but never at proper 90 degree angles.

Hehe, I've not even played with 5bt stuff atomically yet!

But as I've said elsewhere, we really need to work out what type of atomic weave we're talking about. Because simply by breaking the planes apart so they're separated to 90 degrees you can translate a regular or butterfly weave to atomic land. These moves require plane breaks while you're swinging.

But basic buzzsaw (inverted) weaves when broken apart allow you to do atomic weaves that don't have any plane breaks in them. And personally I think these look a lot better.

Lets keep the Butterfly weaves out of the discussion for the beginning since they are not really defined yet and everybody is playing them different.

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These moves require plane breaks while you're swinging.

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Atomic weaves have no plane breaks !

Ok - you said...

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My interpretation of Atomic weaves: A weave where the planes are 90 degrees apart. Same hand movement as in a weave. Splittime.

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In a normal weave each poi does one beat in one wheel plane, two in the other. So how do you do the same thing atomically without having each poi travel from wall -> wheel plane and back?

Unless you're talking about buzzsaw weaves where each poi goes over->under->inside and so there's no need to do a plane break when you do it atomically. In which case we're doing the same thing and just arguing semantics

No buzzsawness in there ...

Lets try this: You spin a forward weave: The lefthand Poi does always the same 2(right):1(left) in wheelplane. Now shift the righthand Poi slowly to the right from wheel to wallplane. So in the end the right Poi does 2(in front):1(behind).
You can stop the weave motion and spin continuously with the hands CROSSED, the right hand spinning wall plane(in front) the left hand wheel plane (right side). This would be a Basic Atom

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(Where is Rev when you need him)

makes sense ?!?

Yes... but then I think we are talking about the same move I think we're just looking at it different ways.

Try starting from a wall plane buzzsaw weave and split that out to 90 degrees and let me know if it's the same.

Ok, let me describe what I do. Starting left poi CW (clockwise) front wall plane, right poi CCW (counter clockwise) right wheel plane, planes meet in front and to your right. Cross your arms so you're now spinning right poi CW front wall plane, left poi CCW right wall plane, right arm on top. All split time.

Bring the poi in the left hand (spinning R wheel plane) inside and under your right arm and back over it. As it's going over your left hand is now on top, so start to bring the poi in your right hand (spinning F wall plane) inside and over your left arm. Voila, you're back where you started and have done a single cycle of the box weave.

Does that make sense? The hand and poi movements for this are exactly the same as a regular buzzsaw weave.

Normal weave - same side -> over -> under

Buzzsaw weave - > inside -> over -> under

It's a weave where the crossover takes place inside the arms and not outside.

One question before I try to decipher your post . . . my Poi are 80cm: Everything "inside" is painful if not shortened, or are you talking about another inside ?!?

I'm talking about between the arms. So yes, with 80cm poi inside is somewhat of a risky proposition

actually we do need rev for this one, cos hes got that whole 'weaves come inside anyway' mission going on.

spiralx your gettign confused between weave and invert weave. invert weave the hand are always crossed and come iside for the respective beat (the beat on the same side as the hand). in a weave it comes inside for the crossed beat, and only breafly.

what puzzles me is splittime, i can do it same time and quarter time but the strings always clash if i go splittime, maybe im not threading at the right point.

gonna post some diagrams into my user gallery, link in a mo.

T

yo,

http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1723

actually its not really all that instructive, i havent put any directions (cos they dont matter much) and its basically like my vid but seen from the top and with better planes

got more stuff to say about atoms, but im not gonna yet.

T

Well see I'm defining a box weave... which is a bit different from an atom weave I guess

*refers spiralx to the thread title and scowles*

this stuff is hard enough as it is you know?

T

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what puzzles me is splittime, i can do it same time and quarter time but the strings always clash if i go splittime, maybe im not threading at the right point.

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Sametime atomic weave? Sounds interesting! You just dont like it the easy way, do you?!?
Play a weave forwards, take the right poi 90degrees to the right into wall plane and you get an atomic weave. Many beginners play variations of atomic weaves because they cannot keep clean planes....my tip: Drink a bottle of standard platinum premium quality vodka and your weaves will automatically become atomic - uups, are we allowed to talk about substance abuse to assist learning ?!?

Nix - you can do the move I'm describing atomically as well as box style. I think it looks better box style myself though

funnily enough poiboxII, thats what dragon said.

you will have to show me spiralx, cos i got no idea what you mean, unless you are breaking the atomic planes insted of turning it. which is weird.

think about this: atoms can be done loads of diffrent ways, my example the poi cross at the top and bottom, but they could also cross front and back, or at either side or graduations inbetween all of them.

its huge i tell you.

T