Negative space and framing

I still say it is framing and not negative space, but I know no one is ever going to listen to me, so whatever...

i wont argue.

it looks cool

is it framing?

Oh yeh and NYC:

well, framing is what I would call it, but apparently neative space is what it is somewhat erroneously called by contact jugglers and so now we are stuck with the misnomer too...

where's the best place to wrap the poi. I like to wrap it on my wrist cause that way i can do any direction, but someone told me that shoulders are the best. i dont really like wraping my legs cause its loses speed, plus im not real sure of what to transfer it too. pease tell me all about wrap
tanx

the best place to wrap is wherever is convient at the time or for the move. if you do it right, you won't lose any speed off any of them. you can even come out of a wrap faster than you went in.

somewhere there is a " difinitive list of wraps " - though "difinitive" is optimistic in this case, but it is certainly extensive.

*ducks*

*erm quack*

*flys away instead*

Right so i'll call it negative space for the sake of siding with everyone else against you.

Still, I didnt really understand a word of the poi moves the cat explained above so im not one to argue about it.

So in a negative space.... the object is the frame.... ??? and if you put something inside of it... you framing/containing something in a negative space.

sorry if im sounding dumb. sometimes i like to be spoon fed fundamentals

I think that is what they are trying to say - or the negative space is the space that is framed, though in strict terms this is a positive space

but if you make a frame to enclose a positive space, then call the frame the object, then subtract the object, then you in fact get a negative space remaining instead of a positive space being framed. presumably either way the poi will be in this space, be it positive or negative.

if we were talking real negative space, then the poi would be the object, and everything else in the entire universe that is remaining once the poi are subtracted would be the negative space.

and this is why I am objecting to using the term negative space, because it refers to another concept which it really doesn't have much to do with and thereby creates confusion.

But seeing as how nobody but you has any idea what you're talking about, there is no confusion!

the idea is that you define a concept of 'positive space' as space that is already used by an object and 'negative space' as space that is not being used by an object.

how do you subtract poi from the universe anyway?
doesn't your definition get really complicated when you consider that the objects we are looking at are moving constantly - i.e. does your negative space definition include the space where the poi were half a second ago...?

the term has been around for ages, its just it was invented by artists rather than scientists so the scientists get pissed off that they didn't think of it first and thus missed out on defining it as something logical

ado-p - your examples are perfect.
i really like the staff idea

Correct!

EDITed to say that this is in response to vanize's post, and coleman's too bloody quick on the keyboard again...

Hmmm, I agree with you that people are using the term negative space differently here to the rest of the world , (and I think missing out on a lot of what it has to offer as a concept as a result).

I'm not sure about "make a frame to enclose a positive space". I think that (without the poi for a minute) if you put your hand on your hip, then the gap which is left is negative space - that seems quite clear cut; you are the object, so anything that isn't you is negative space.

Not quite sure what you mean by positive space.

I think it's unclear as to exactly what the object is. It sounds like you want the poi to be the object, and the body of the performer not to be, which I can't really agree with.

What makes sense to me is that the body is the object, and the toys are then allowed to explore the space around the object - much as viewers would investigate the negative space around a sculpture, or inside a building. But that's only one possible view, and other views bring other insights. :cheesyaphorismgraemlin: And I'm very open to being persuaded that I'm wrong on this one, it's an area I'm feeling my way round at the moment.

I'll be defining "Negative space" as a 3 beat weave.

And I'll be callling what I previously called a 3 beat weave "sparkly poi" from now on.

I hope that doesn't confuse anyone.

by the way blue that comment i made about sucking less was a JOKE. a very funny one i might add.

you should have mentioned badgers. people know you're joking when you mention badgers.

i know, arashi
but until you make it clear (with smileys)i'm going to pretend i didn't

*bows to the non-sucky one over the water*

sorry i have no more to post on this today, i spent all my time at cicus yesterday staring at women and throwing clubs in the air(yes! yesyesyes! over 20 catches of 5c! 6 rounds of 4c 534!)

incidentally, i'm going to stand by the naming of it. there are a million and one precedents where when a term moves from one field to the next it takes on a slightly different meaning. and this one is pretty clear to all those who have no in-depth knowledge of the original meaning of negative space, and is also following a precedent in two other object maniulation styles...

smiles
R

I just realised I have a great negative space move. It's a continuous inside/outside butterfly hyperloop, i.e. down on the outside, up on the inside. Thus both my poi heads travel through the 'negative space' created by my arms and the poi strings in one direction at the same time.

i agree with what rev said.
and mo-seph.
and blue.

i have love for the monkey but if ya don't have anything positive to say, you're gonna have to zip-it

i think the definition of what negative space is in general is not important here - what is important to this application is how to create and present negative spaces to observers.

as we have stated, the best way to do this is to frame the space.

your example picture only presents those negative spaces from one particular angle, i.e. for one particular observer.

a hand on a hip with an object passed through the gap is an effective creation of a negative space for just about any observer from any angle.