I just want your opinion....

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Due to the Patriot Act you can now be detained on hearsay and suspicion of terrorist activity. No proof needed. Add the fact that many agencies definition of terrorism is very vague. Add TIPS. All equals a paranoid nation with reduced civil liberties.

Get your constituation out of it's fancy glass case and use it as toilet paper, 'cos it ain't worth much more

Posted by Mike Grinny

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And it sickens me to see how people are so afraid of death that they are afraid to give up living to avoid it.

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Im with you Mike that is my sentiments exactly I couldn't tell you exactly who said it but it goes

"Life is ours to be spent, not saved"

Ill fininsh this thought later gotta go.....

No wait ill finish it now - basically life is a risk you have to be prepared to be able to give up some of your freedoms if you want to at least enjoy a comfortable level of safety (for lack of a better word) Just my $00.02c

Later dudes

PS Mike I always enjoy reading your posts man they are always worth reading and insightful.

Society bad.

World bad.

Lets all go back to living in caves and dying of things like the flu and chickenpox.

If you absolutly must know, this system existed informaly since WWII, they just gave it a new name and basically "Bumped" it up to the top of the list. Yes the average Joe American can rat out his fellow countrymen. It is perfectly leagle.

Say like you and I are neighbors (you being anybody who reads this since its a hypothetical situation) and last night you and your significant other get into a loud argument the whole neighborhood can hear. The next day I see you getting out of your car slamming the door, swearing and carying a brand new shotgun. Now putting two and two together I may thing that your gonna do something stupid. I have every right to call the cops. Hell according to the law it is a crime for me not to call the cops.

So, this "new" tactic in the war against terror *cough cough bull shit cough cough* is not really that new.

Blow it out of perportion if you feel the need but I could care less what they do when it comes down to something like this.

Ray, that's why I have mixed feelings on it. I feel like it does nothing new, it's just a publicity stunt, and it will turn people into spies on each-other.

I think Americans are already prepared to report suspicious activity. We don't need TIPS.

i think this realy got dug up when it didn't need to be... since it's NOT happening... which is why i didn't repost my thoughts.

But ray.... er... you don't actually belive just b/c the govt isn't allowed to tap ur phone that they won't do it anyway if they decide ur affiliated with a group they don't like? plus i think in the patriot act it makes it easier to do this legally... but our govt doesn't always need to do things legally.....

Kyrian, the Gov is so sly that they can tap your phone read your emails, doesnt matter how smart or good you are they can get you if they want.

I know they will do whatever they want and will worry about its legality if they get cought!!!

*sigh* just making sure.

it pisses me off, really. i mean...

ok, ok, so i'm an idealist. everyoen abuses power.

power sucks.

huh, i'm not making sense. i'll try again later.

*Hands Kyrian some Nutella, Caffeen and some fire*

Take these and try again in an hour.

Absolute power, corrupts absolutly.

How does one fight terror?

For the last 226 years, this country has been, militarily, king of the mountain. Whenever trouble breaks out, we (Americans) show up, and put a stop to the 'enemy aggressor.' Nothing gets resolved, mind you, we just like to blow things up. Common theme in American history.

But when it comes to idealistic enemies, we are hopeless. If it's intangible, we simply don't know how to handle it. We can talk about it, we can condemn it and we declare war on it. (We don't do anything about it, just declare war on it) The war on poverty, the war on cancer, the war on aids, the war on drugs...We need to get serious.

There are maybe 10-12 major groups in the world that have claimed responsibility for terrrorist acts, and countless individuals, as well. There are 266 countries who are the potential victims. This is like a small child being terrified of a bee, and too afraid to squash it.

There is no convential defense. There is no early warning system. There is no counter-attacks. It is a war of irregular means. That is how we will win it. We need to make would-be terrorists afriad to step into the sunllight, much less drive one of their car bombs down Main St. We need to fill them with such fear and dread and trepidation, they won't think of ever hurting another person again.

It's not one country, or even a group of countries. It's not any single race, religion or faction. It's individuals we're fighting. Dropping bombs on Afghanistan may treat a symptom, but it's doing nothing to stop the disease.

This proposed system of having us spy on each other reminds me of the cloak and dagger stories on the 60's. It's an interesting move for the government to make. Is it wise? Yes. Is it abusable, again, yes. Do the names McCarthy or Salem mean anything to you?

If anybody can come up with some answers, I'd sure like ta hear 'em. Lord knows I don't have many...

How do you fight an invisible enimy?

A) Find a way to see it

B) Become invisible yourself

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How do you fight terror?

A) Find away to prevent it

B) Become terror yourself

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How does this solve anything?

Sorry folks you cant stop world hatered or even lesson it. If you do somthing to help people A, people B might not care but somewhere between people B and infinate someone will get pissed and wish ill things on you.

Like I said before, the only way to have peace on earth is to remove man from the the equation!

ok, so on that note, how do we deal with world hatred ray? if we can't make things better, then what do we do?

At my most cynical depressed moments I favour sticking my fingers in my ears, closing my eyes and loudly singing "lah, lah, lah!!! I can't hear you!!!"

On other occasions I realise that the only persons actions I can really control are my own, and so that is my contribution to world peace. I try not to hate & try not to be a total bastard.