Hybrid Moves

olos and bolo



i like.

and yes, olos bs fountain is not so bad. its lovely antispun, too

I got one question, think ive asked before but didnt get any answer

When I do a backward hybrid weave (atleast I think it is ) its not a problem at all to turn 180 and into a forwars hybrid weave without lossing the hybrid momentum but when turning from forward to backward I just mess it up.
So my question is, can anyone turn from forwards to backwards hybrid weave without loosing the hybrid momentum? PLEEEASE record it, im starting to loose my patience soon

A clip while I do some hybridstuff you can find in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBKTHfF0tA4

HIGH QUALITY: http://www.thedivine.se/divine.wmv

And as I wrote im not even shure that it is a hybrid weave but it feels like it.

I must study poi theori more

Love!
//Thomas

For me there are two types of hybrid weaves..

1) Keeping the same poi isolated.
2) Switching the poi that is isolated so the leading arm of the weave is always longarm

You do 2) I belive in the video. This makes switching a bit harder as halfway through the carry the isolating and long arms have to switch... (I think)

With 1) the same poi is isolated all the time and the carry from back to forward (and forwards to back) is in my opionion easer.

But I also find forward to backwards harder...

As for a video I do a wall plane hybrid weave that carrys accross my body in the xmas video listed above in this thread somewhere which is sorta like from forwads to backwards (Dodgy timeing in the video though)

Not sure if it helps as it is of type 1)

THANKS! That cleared it up alot. Ive played around some with the same poi isolated but I dont find as nice as when im switching betwen long arm and isolated.

Ive seen the vid but as you sat its the type 1. Havent seen anyone doing the typ2 forward to backward, other way around isn`t a problem at all. And I really can`t se why it shall ba that hard when doing it the other way around

I se that you guys talked about reels and fountains is that type1 or type 2 hybrids, I with that I mean if you play forwards the left is isolated and when turning its the other way around........?

Thanks again!

:-D

//Thomas

ooooooh nice video!!

On a sidenote, though, don't say Ubelfast!

While "über" means "over" and is quite good, "übel" means bad and sick/ill, so Ubelfast means getting sick really quickly

Oops... we didn't quite think about the literal translation...

What if it was U'Belfast or Ube'lfast?

Go Garth! Way to Name something. Type one and Type Two!

How about

spi - Same poi isolated
cpi - change poi isolated

Then we have

spiolos
spibolo
cpiolos
cpibolo

Hmmm...

Maybe I should stick to type 1 / 2 and let someone else be inventive.

go garth

A late thank you to Garthy for your Christmas video. That was wicked dude. Good up your big self!

So whats the definition of a hybrid?
Spinning different ways with each hand to create new patterns/illusions?
Centre of circle manipulation?

Spinning possible with each hand:
-isolations
-extensions
-"normal" circles (poi circles centre point being the hand)
-antispin?

.... mixed with same or split time

Whens a hybrid not a hybrid? (Is every thing you spin using two different patterns a hybrid?)

the idea of a hybrid is spinning both poi with the same center of rotation, but different radii. The most common example is isolating one and extending the other, but I would assume that say, spinning one poi from your shoulder and the other from your hand (and placing your hand at the other shoulder) would also be a hybrid.

The definition I think is the most relevant, is pretty similar to the one Ronan just said:
Being able to do something totally different with right & left hand, ie,
Having one hand doing a different driving style to the other, where 'driving style' means the way you "spin" your poi. So far, I've considered 5 ways:
- pendulum,
- spin or antispin,
- giant (extended arm),
- semi-isolated, (semi-extended arm, poi is not in line with the arm: delayed or in advance ,ie, it’s a good mix between iso & extended)
- isolated
Now the whole thing is to trigger your neuronal connection to randomly & independently use these styles with either right or left arm . And this is NOT easy at first trial, cause it requires the utmost level of ambidextry !
For this I consider the following as a difficulty order:
Right arm / Left arm (or vice versa)
- pendulum / extended arm
- pendulum / spin (or antispin)
- extended arm / spin (or antispin)
- extended arm / isolation

The last one is the current Andy’s definition (w/ one short poi, one long poi), and by far the most difficult one.
I developed that definition after uberpoi-05 when I had both Andy & Nick‘s workshop, and straightforwardly tried to mix both.
This will be the subject of one of my workshop at uberparis, so come round for further explanation. Especially that Ronan will do is amazing stuff too

I don’t think there is a need to add any extra parameters for the definition:
I mean this can be done in any plane (wall, side …), with any timing (same, quarter ..), with any degrees of crossover (arm crossed, uncrossed ..)
You don’t necessarily need to hold your hand together !
The only thing I’m considering at the moment, is maybe add a 6th driving style: whip style “à la Arashi”
Interesting cross-posting on tribe.net

yay! discussion! awesome.

i wish i had time to reply

I don't ...
woops my boss is coming

Can Tangles be 'Hybrid'?

If you get the nexus so that one poi is long, the other really short, then isolate the whole lot around the nexus, you get a hybrid like effect- I'm just not sure if you could actually refer to it as a hybrid 'move'.

Anyone get that?

yeh, i understand you... i was giving that a go a little while ago, but got distracted and started working on something else... it seems possible

will have to make a short video of this nifty hybrid thing ive been doing at some point

Chut> if you stick to my definition , I don't think it would be a hydrid, as both hand are nearly doin' the same thing .. this is just "nexus-offset tangle" messing around.
But if you consider Andy's definition, then it could be "looking like" a hybrid, especially if you manage to swap which end-tips is the long-one. I feel the same feeling when I do it as when I do standard Andy style hybrid weaving

hmm, by saying its just a "nexus-offset tangle" could you therefore not argue that a regular bolo hybrid is just an offset weave?

It should be possible to get hybrid hyperloops, whether you have one long/one short or not. Bloody difficult to keep them going, but if your poi are tangled and the centre of rotation is anywhere between the nexus and one of the poi heads then it's a hybrid. Like any hybrida it's easier with one long and one short, because you can isolate the long one without having to go any faster with the non-isolated poi.

Yeah - if you've doing a LOSO hyperloop, they're pretty easy to hyperloop/oli loop - and the LOSO makes them hybrid as the Long is isolated, the short is kind of long-arm (though buzzsawed).

Woot.