Hybrid Moves

Ohhhh.... Pleasu put the video up somewhere else like googlevideos. Youtube is blocked in Indonesia so I can`t se a [censored]. Just beacuse a dutch layer that was hitting the coran in a video :-/

//Thomas

Thomas:
Ask and yey shall receive:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4755946095601688264&hl=en

-Alien Jon

Slightly off topic but from what I gather from a very recent practice session both poi path and hand path can be linear or non-linear in context to each other.

O_o intriguing.

Mr Alien: Thank you very much but the goverment are faster than Flash Gordon himself and they have blocker gogglevideo in the whole Indonesia also and same with myspace. I love Indonesia

Thanks for uploading it though. Im gonn take a look as soon as I can when im back in Malaysia....

//Thomas

I've been experimenting lately with isolation + gilligan driving style mix.

I think this would give an awesome effect and it would I think be the chu chu double staff equivalent of poi. The hand of the poi that is doing a gilligan is following the head of the poi that is isolating.

The other variation is the head of the poi that is doing gilligan is following the isolated poi head.

The third variation is the head of the poi that is doing gilligan is following the isolated pois hand.

It's really, really hard, I don't even know if it's completely possible yet. I will keep trying tho.

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Speed bump hybrids? Been trying, no luck yet.

I've never understood what a trammel is, it's one of the poi jargon I don't understand.

I see. Sounds really interesting. To me it kind of looks like a linear extension with the exception that the ellipse is created down up in this case when the hand moves back and fourth in a linear motion? Is this observation wrong?

It would seem you need to move your hand back before it can do it's "back and fourth" linear extension so that it will be pushed upwards O_O weird.

I'll try but I think somebody is eventually going to need to show me this one. =)

It is like a linear extension only perpendicular to the ellipse. Or more precisely:
In a linear extension, from one of the poles focii), your hand moves away from the head perpendicular to its vector. For example, if the poi is pointing down, it is moving horizontally as it swings towards up, and your hand moves away from it going up.

For a trammel, from one of the poles (hand positions), your hand moves towards the head perpendicular to its vector. For example, if the poi is pointing out horizontal and is swinging down, then your hand moves horizontal towards where the head is. By the time it gets to where the head was, the head has swung 180 degrees and is pointing horizontal the other way and is swinging up now.

Hope that made some sense.

It's weird with poi. Expect it to be a bit wonky at first, high degree of flopping around at first. It is different than in my simulation, because the animation doesn't account for gravity. In actuality as you move your hand horizontally to create the upstroke, you have to accelerate your hand motion quite a bit. I really only use it as an exercise right now. haven't really integrated it into any interesting hybrids or anything, yet. But it is another piece of the poi control puzzle, and the feeling helps learn cateyes and transition to/from them.

-Alien Jon

I think, that 1.5's are actually an unit circle r-type's.

Can someone confir this statement, Durbs?

proved via isolation,

:R

I think it depends on what you do with the 1.5... I think the original idea of 1.5's was that you alternate between swinging a circle for one beat, and then a pendulum for another beat... which is why they are really "not1.5s". So really we should look at the pendulum:
You can swing a pendulum in a bunch of different ways. but I would say it fit's as a 'unit circle R-type' if either the hand and/or the head trace a unit circle. That way it can easily be linked up with other unit circle moves.

Back to (not)1.5s: So you could combine your unit circle pendulum for one beat with an isolation, extension, cateye, etc for the other beat and maintain the unit circle-ness the whole time. Having just stood up and tried these, they are all doable, if a bit sloppy for me right now.

-Alien Jon

I've come to the same conclusion, when I was learning 1.5 turning.

When you do 1.5 in the original idea(long arm pendulum) or
when you do ! 1.5 (unit circle 'izo' pendulum).

When both Poi heads meet toghether and you want them stay
together and you want to turn, you will do a circular movement
at both side.

Now the questions, what is the circular movement of that
circle, that trace the path of Poi heads.

Can be done 1.5 turning full long arm? Isn't the long arm
only part that break out at the other half.

How does full long arm 1.5 look like?

This still lead to unit circle..

You'd need to do full long arm izo to traverse
the other side I think.

question,

:R