Hybrid Moves

Ok this is what I've been "trying" recently..

Do a weave split time same length hybrid..

and as you bring the long poi up and over you can stall the ioslating one and then push it down into antisping thereby transfering to a butterfly hybrid. and I'm guessing the same can be done the other way stalling and droping a butterfly hybrid into a weave hybrid...

Have fun...

I posted this simulation video in the 'ThePoi "I just learned a new advanced move/combo" thread' a bit ago and I figure it is even more appropriate in this thread.



You can follow this link and read my ramblings about the theory behind these in the techpoi tribe on tribe.net


Enjoy!
-Alien Jon

I'm going to read the rambling tomorrow.

comment later,

:R

I was looking for that simulation this morning.

Nice one, thanks for posting it.

Ivè found a really sweet hybridmove yesterday, maybe you guys bin talking about it already though.....
Don`t know if it could be classified as a hybridmove though cos theres isn`t any isolationmovement in it.

Place youre right or left hand behind your head and spin for example forward, with left hand you just make giant cirlcles with or without pedals, I prefer without cos it is such a nice move, simple but beautiful.....

//Thomas

Well done decyphering, but comment:

-Zan link doesn't work (Alien)
-There is one more cat eye (Arashi)
-There are 6 ways to cross-over (Olive) [corrected]

-Driving style = offcentric.
-Unit circle = isolation.

prove on demand,

:R

Richee = excentric
you'll get a camera soonish I hope

Here is a working link to the breif thread by Zan:

http://techpoi.tribe.net/thread/6d17e441-0119-4522-8299-e2f6bac1a188

Tribe doesn't let you edit your posts, so I posted another entry with the correct link there too.

i think of it this way.

as you approach 0 beats from either direction,

antispin: cat eyes get more and more narrow until they become a line, i think this is a true linear isolation, as opposed to isolating the line that is the poi....but that is open to interpretation.

so as you approach the line, you can get the line, and once you pass that point of isolation, it becomes regular spin again.

from spin: from one beat, to decrease the beats, or the beats per second, you can use linear extentions, to make the same beat last longer, to the point where a continuous linear extention is regular spin as beats approach 0.


now both of these patterns create the same thing...a line.

the difference is i beleive is in the direction of fource being applied,

in linear extentions, the force is applied in the same direction that the poi head is moving

in linear isolations, the force is in a direction purpindicular to the direction of the poi head.



so if you do 4 beat antispin flowers, focussing on matching your beats in the same direction as the poi heads, until you eliminate the loops, you are adding linear extention, or regular spin, to your antispin flower.

the pattern that this creates is a big arc-diamond. the focus on the points makes each curve more curvey, or larger portions of a superspin circle.....or squared off circle if you begin to change the location of the center of rotation in relation to your body (move your hand in and out)

while if you focus on isolating through the points of the flower, you apply the force across from the trajectory of the poi, and you get a box, with the flattening of the arcs on each segment of the flower.


i dont know what it all means, but it may also be important to note that you can stall both moving in the same direction as the poi, or at 90 degrees to it,

i think we should put more focus into the direction of the force we apply to the poi, especially in compound circle pattern.

Nice one Jon,
great to see your clear definitions
now I need to digest them

 Written by: AlienJon


Speaking of Olive, what are these 6 crossovers?

mmm. i've been having a lot of fun with hybrids of late, and these are good words, jon.

Olive, i'll be filming you in ireland in feb

richee will have a camera soon, i hope.....

R: I, WILL, FIND, YOU!.

Back,

-Cross hands outside. 2
-Turn them inside. 2
-Twist them insideout. 2

smile,

:R

Finaly I nailed the kind of hybrid weave where the left hand are positioned next to the right poi wick. So tricky to get but it was worth all the practie cos it locks WICKED :P

I also got a hybrid pirutte where the hand are positioned above the head and belove the waist

//Thomas

Hmm, been practicing isolated Pirhouettes so perhaps I should try it hybrided =) Thanks Thomas.

Thomas, is the wick to hand hybrid you are doing 3-beat? If so can you make a video of it? So far I only do 2-beat where they switch every time, or where one is always long, one is always iso.

-Alien Jon

Sure I make a vid. It is 3-beat weave and I had the same problem that you have. The thing is that the 2 beat looks better because in the 3-beat you dont keep your hand next to the wick the whole time. But shure I fix a vid.

Here is a youtube playlist of "Cateyes", which are fun to hybridise in differnt ways:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E8D1F2AD1D642765

Enjoy,
-Alien Jon

Here is another Simulation of Unit Circle driving styles and how they all relate, bounded by linear motions:



Good luck with the horizontal antispin ellipse and horizontal trammel... Frickin' hard!

-Alien Jon

This gave me some interesting ideas that I tried out today. Like wallplane splittime-arms in time opposites in spin/antispin where the spin/antispin is not changed by switching direction but rather through their linear relation.

Cool stuff.