Favorite Spinners (EDITED)

ah you americans are sooo cute when you think you invented this language.

over hear its "big up"
and its origins are west indian

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/b.htm

big up the rest of the world.
Glass

ya man!

big up de clapham posse!

(so will i see you in six months NYC?

i hope so.

in fact. if you make it over chez moi again you'll get TWO hours 1 minute )

but you'll have to give me sedatives

R

I'll settle for 45 minutes at EJC04.

And Glass, that wak site says it's a verb. But poipoipoi is using it as a noun. It should be plural when used as a noun to more than one person. In English we put an "s" at the end of most plural nouns.

Big up is a verb.
Big ups is a plural noun.

You can't give big up TO any group of people. Only big ups.

Nice try though.

So how come you can 'Big Up' a 'Massive'

Massive being singular, but describing a group of people.

no no no no no...

that wasn't being used as a noun - it was being used as the verb that it is.
in poipoipoi's context: 'big up', short for 'big up yourself'.

west indian slang 101.
lesson one:

big up - a verb used as a mark of respect or a show of appreciation.

examples of use:

'big up the man dem drew' - pay respect to the cool person named drew (singular).
'big up da eastside massive' - those guys that live on the eastside are alright.

"You can't give big up TO any group of people. Only big ups."

correct but nonsensical.
as the eastside massive example shows, with a group of people we would big up the whole group - eg. big up the hop posse.

it seem nyc is using this in the same way that 'props' can be given.
this is not a valid use of 'big up'.
it can be summed up thusly: props - can be replaced with the single word 'respect' (hence 'props' is an improper noun) whereas to replace 'big up' we must insert the phrase 'i pay respect to' (so 'big up' is a verb).

and that's how it goes down in my town bitch.

check out gimme the loot on the first biggie album if you still doubt us:

"big up, big up, it's a stick up, stick up
and I'm shooting niggaz quick if you hiccup
don't let me fill my clip up in your back and head piece
the opposite of peace sending mom duke a wreath
you're talking to the robbery expert
stepping to your wake with your blood on my shirt
don't be a jerk and get smoked over being resistant
'cos when I lick shots the shits is persistent"

big up nyc.

I like how Cole starts his thread with 'no no no' but then adds "correct"

"Big Up" is used exactly as the verb "to thank" (defferent meaning but USED the same gramatically)
"Big Ups" is used exactly as the NOUN "thanks"

SO here are some gramatically correct sentences and sentence fragments:
Thanks to Coleman for being so cool.
Thank Coleman for being so cool.
Many thanks to Coleman for being so cool.

NOTE how I can NOT say "Thank to Coleman for being so cool."

You can NOT have "big up to" the exact same way you can NOT have "thank to". This was the only comment that I made and I am right in both the UK and the US slang dictionary.

"Big up to all you poi spinners out there" is a gramatically incorrect sentence in both UK and US slang.

And Poipoipoi... "massive" is a singular word. That's why YOU called it *A* "massive". "A team" "A group of people" are all singular.

[Now here's the point where coleman and glass disagree with things that I'm not saying just to save face ]

Poi Gods? Yes.
Grammar Gods? Apparently not.

i like the way nyc quotes my 'correct' comment but leaves out the 'but nonsensical' end to the sentence...

bottom line - we don't ever use the term 'big ups' and poipoipoi was right in his original usage of 'big up'.
covering my arse statement - however poipoipoi's second use of big up (that i didn't actually notice and that happens to be the one that nyc was commenting on dammit!) was indeed questionable...
with big up in quotes it would be correct or it could also have been 'big up all the poi spinners' or 'shout out to all the...' or 'mad props to...' instead.

so does correct grammar actually count for slang...?

besides all that, nyc was blatently wrong when he said:
"i'm in for a right bollocking here - these wankers think they know every f*ckin fact on the face of the planet (when they know f*ck all) and now i've called their pansy arses out on this one they'll be giving me gip until i take it back and stop calling their mums slags."

i think those comments were completely uncalled for and furthermore, hurtful and scandalous nyc.

on behalf of yookay proper good slang users anonymous i demand an several apology - thats in the plurals if you're un-disunderstanding me

NYC: I don't trust those slang dictionaries you quoted from, they don't even have words like spherculism, spherculoid and spherculish

What kind of dictionary is that. Everyone knows that spherculism, spherculoid and spherculish are well known words with their roots buried deep in kabalistic mysticism.

I just think it's funny that you picked me up on 'big up' -

Lets just say that American and English are two very different languages and leave it at that.

m

and NYC, you'd better dmn well be giving bigs up to kenn, bigs up to tree, bigs up to cass and bigs up to yourself for abusing coles momma. (cause she could soooo easily kick your arses. )

dom will you teach me to bounce please

R

Bigs up? Ug... I quit.

And it's pronounced TLHEE, not Tree. Wow, Scotish accents are hard to spell, aye Rhohb?

yes!

got NYC to quit with a tear in his eye!

bi ugps to me i think


trampolines are all very well dom, but i need to learn to be 6'6" and blonde first. can you help?

R

:swiftly moves from arguing about slang grammar to posting the list he's been preparing for three days:

'my inspirations' or 'those spinners i have to thank for everything i know today' (in handy chronological order):

sanchia - the first person i ever saw spin poi and remains to this day someone who i look to for an understanding of body movement with poi.
jonnny moohaahaa - this man taught me every day for a whole summer and span with me constantly for the following year. he was also the one that convinced me to start juggling balls too - jonnny can pretty much be blamed for everything smooth, technical spinning with the nonchalance of an ambidextrous vishnu.
josie lashes - full on fluffy fairie spinning with much bouncing and super style. along with cath, my inspiration to invent things for myself and not just rely on being taught how poi work by others.
orange - warp speed spinning with a bounce to kill for. if there is such a thing as a poi god, this man is one
fairie cath - in short, my poi godess. spins moves no-one else has even thought of and with so much style it spills over, whereupon it is quickly lapped up by all surrounding her. fairie-tastic innit.
demetri hpc - tons of style and the tiniest ego you have ever seen. a great spinner, performer and friend.
helene - the first person i saw spinning with superclean planes - and boy did i notice! plink has split-second perfect timing and slow spinning which blesses her with a style to die for. easily one of my favourite spinners to watch, possibly the number one.
tony touch - a legend. sort of like my teacher, once removed (jonnny learnt a huge amount from this man). in my head, this man really is jedi (with two orange lightsabres natch).
danny t - super-talented bloke with rude style. one of those that made me want to learn as much as i possibly could.
k-boy - super-clean tech spinning that bursts out into flowing dance with gorgeous style. not to be sniffed at is the fact that he also happens to be the only person i've ever seen play with astrojax and retain total control.
cam smallboy - my poi brother (black and silver poi are not a common thing you know). this man never, ever stops coming out with new sh*t - truly a master.
dom - what can i say that doesn't make me sound like the admiring, drooling groupie i am? amazing movement with crazy tech thrown in just because he's one of the few that can - i look up to dom in more ways than one.
drew - meeting this man transformed my attitude to poi. he took me from being an average spinner and slowly turned me into the technically anal, plane obsessed poi geek that i am today. and i love him for it.
danae - see the comments i made about dom; they all apply here too. this earth-bound angel embodies everything positive about poi spinners. if danae is spinning you'll likely find me somewhere nearby watching and smiling.
pk - two things about pk: one, i've never met a cleaner spinner - planes to die for. and two, he has variations coming out of his ears (which i have a sneaky suspicion might have been responsible for those gorgeous tunnels of his).
hugo - a truly unique style and the most naturally solid isolations i've yet seen. wicked.
rob bluecat - does this man have an end to his talents?! he even plays more radiohead songs on guitar than i do. easily the person that has made me shake my head in disbelief the most times - a constant inspiration.
matt poipoipoi - if there is anyone else out there with even a fraction of matt's respect for and skill with poi, i'd be seriously surprised to find them.
adam - badass style and a massive source of ideas all in one handy package. big up the man dem 'northern ad'.
kev - incomprehensible level of variety and an infective willingness to teach make kev very nearly the perfect poi spinner.
bammy - learns at the speed of dark and then takes everything she's learnt and makes it look ten times better than it did in the first place. beautiful, funny, kind, bamtastic
nix - if anyone learns faster than bam it's this bloke. direct into ultra-tech and inventing all the way. tom gives me the incentive i need to stop juggling and pick up my poi...

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Cole dude, its so nice to come back, ten minutes on hop and I really want to go practice again! hehehe

My list of peeps is long and pretty close to my list of hop peeps I have met, so im not going to list them, and instead say a huge THANK YOU to everyone for letting me steal all thier best tricks.

Love to you all,

Tom

sancha - A most beautiful poi spinner! Thanks for reminding me. I don't know if I've ever seen anyone else's facial expressions be so concentrated, varied and expressive whilst spinning poi. When the poi don't do what she expects she looks at them so scouldingly. You know Sancha when she's pissed off at something! Very cute in a most sassy way.

Lots of people I guess... Sancha, Cole, Dom, Drew, John, Alex, Cam, Kelly... most of the people I've met over the last couple of years that have helped my spinning either through patient teaching, inspiration or trying to work out silly moves with

hahah love reading the thread... and poipoipoi DAMN STRAIGHT! American is diffrent than English friggin proud of it too.

Ok aside from that.
I have to admit I am still sheltered as far as fire dancers etc go my personal inspiration has been Flam Chen there based out of my city mentored my beginnings before I even knew it was a big deal to be an international fire theater troop.... they are all my Gods so to speak.
Other than that I have only see all the other troops here in AZ and a couple out of L.A and spinners at Burning man so many there that were amazing but fire there is every where and you never get names... its just the girl with all those amazing wraps... or that insane chick spinning in all plastic clothes with her fuel bucket uncovered LOL
what I can say is this
I have more respect for the artist who shares willingly and uncompetitavley helps others and admires there acomplishment no matter how small.
I have met those who blow of complements and questions with shallow answeres like oh I just watch others... wich is BS and any body who works there ass off at this knows it. And I have met those who honestly tell you what a move is how hard it is really and what you need to do to get there.
Can't wait to see who I admire by next year.