The non-actively mean robert heart experience

Ahhhhhh.....Robert Heart

my first Robert Heart Experience occured at the EJC in Rotterdam 2001...my my my...what a man? I was apprehensively amused to hear that he was there at the EJC this year....*thanks for the tip off Dom*

after a few years now, I have managed to come to terms with my Inner Robert Heart so I was less distressed than most with his antics...

I do have to honour him with one credit though...it's hard, and I'm sure I will be slated my many HoPers for what I about to type...

His one claim at the EJC '01 that I really took most offence to was that he took staff twirling to Australia. Now, me growing up in the Aussie twirling scene I thought that this was the biggest load of shit I'd ever heard! The maths surrounding his history meant that he'd been spinning for over 20 years...and in my opinion his skill blatantly discredited that.

Since returning to Australia..spending some time in Byron and surrounds I have met a few of the OLD skool twirlers.

I mentioned this guy to them and they all agreed to what he'd said! He came to a Confest in the 80's and showed/inspired a LOAD of people with his twirling etc... and basically kick started a whole load of crew in Australia to start spinning.

So I guess he was right?

Now here's a scarey thought though- people infulence people who influence people who influence people...so more possibly for the Aussies, but not that less possibly for the rest of the world....you can be almost certainly guaranteed that there's a little bit of Robert Heart in all of us!

Spookey eh?

But seriously guys....ya gotta stop slating the guy. If he was a HoPer there's no way you'd be allowing each other to say these things right?

I heard a saying once:

Great minds talk about the future,
Average minds talk about events,
Small minds talk about people.

laters
dave

there'll be a sign up sheet somewhere under a couch. One thing I forgot to mention is that this year Robert Heart did a stick workshop everyday at the EJC and taught a lot of wrong things, i.e. the complete absence of planes.

okay dave, valid. No man deserves to have the entire internet hate him. But even if he was a home of poier I'd still say somethings to sort out his attitude, I may be a bit gentler, but some one seriously has to do something.

not slating him dave - all i did was quote his website and that speaks for itself.

whatever his credentials or claims to fame re. australia and firetwirling there is no excuse for his reported arrogance and rudeness and the blatent lies in his advertising.

if he was someone on hop we wouldn't stand for it either.

if there is a 'little bit of robert heart' in me i hope it just boils down to my bad plane control with double staffs


anyway, am looking forward to your return dude - hope you and d are well and having fun. see ya soon

yes and no dave.... i have never met a man who so made me angry: the last time i hit someone in anger was when i was 12, and meeting RH in Christiania post EJC only the fact that Kenn forced me to leave stopped me from blemishing a pretty good record....and so i feel the world deserves to know.

but i will leave it now in the hope that i meet him in the next year and have a calm and revelatory discussion with him....


oh... and a stick is a stick, and baton has been around for a number of years.


R

Knoxious, I know Australians who have been twirling "stick" longer than that. Most of them are Martial Artists though, and a few left the martial part behind and just continued with staves. He may have introduced it to people at Confest (something I have also heard) but he did not introduce it to Australia as a whole.

That would be like someone stating that by introducing stave at Burningman that they brought it to the US, when in fact it has been here essentially longer than the US (thanks to Hawaii).

Charles, that would be why I said "unsuspecting" people. I get alot of people who book me and have no clue what they want, or even think about it. They just want a spectacle.

As for his stave breaking in the middle of his Rainbow Show...at least it was not a fire one that flew out. Thank goodness for small blessings.

Knoxious...Well done mate!

While I can't say i agree with you, I applaud your sentiments and the path you followed to make those statements.

This could turn into a healthy discussion after all...

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No man deserves to have the entire internet hate him

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I agree and diasagree with Aproving Ninja (great name by the way).

In my opinion, VERY few people deserve to have the whole internet hate them, but a number of special, select people, do deserve it.

Just in the way that Mother Teresa deserves our respect, our admiration and the credit for all the good her actions caused during her selfless life...

In exactly the same way people with an apparently opposite personality also deserve the the end result of their actions.

From what I can see, it's not like RH had a bad day one day and said a few things he shouldn't. And it's not like he hasn't been acting like this for so many years that he must understand the reactions that result from his actions.

He's had so much time to re-evaluate his life, so many people have shown him in subtle and unsubtle ways how society reacts to his interaction.

If (for example) he was from rural China, and were using social skills that are the norm in that area of the world, then there is an amount of forgiveness I might credit him with.

But he isn't and he's not.

One of the upsides of the internet is also it's downside...Access for all!

If you decide to put up a website, you better be ready for people to react to it. Pure and simple.

To help prevent backlashes and negative reactions to a website, it should really be written from a social perspective first, and then a business perspective second. Because it is PEOPLE who will be looking at it, so it needs to be written for people.

RH site sounds more the sites of cult leaders and Saddam Hussein than an professional entertainer's one...

All in my opinion of course...

By the way,
http://www.robertheart.com/
for anyone wondering what this is about

Out of interest, all this "I can spin staff at 90-100 MPH" stuff, can someone work out the maths of this and tell me if it's actually impressively fast?
His 7 foot staff is surely cheating (what with lever theories and all that) but I'd guess that with an extra-long staff/poi (I reckon poi would be easier to get speed out of) this wouldn't be soooooooo hard, what is that in RPM/BPM?

Confest is totally the most important time of the year for me, and i initally got into it becuase of the fwirlage.

But to think that such a hurtful man could have influenced people at such a lovely hippy festival makes me feel ill. I wonder if there were twirlers at the first Confest at Cotter River, 1976? to have such an attitude in the most loving community me has seen For the people that dunt know, Confest is a twice a year hippy festival held in NSW australia and is so amazingly full of skills workshops and loving hippies that many people come from their first experience changed for the better. It is a nice coincidence that a lot of amazing firetwirlers from around Oziland attend it.
Confest pichas.

As for making such assertions, It is said the the beginning of wisdom is knowing the extent of one's ignorance.

And Knoxious, you've coined a term, mate!

Durbs... just for you...

One complete revolution of a 7 foot staff will travel (on the very tippy ends) pi x diameter = 3.14 x 7 feet = 21.98 feet.

How many feet in a mile? 5280…

So 5280 divided by 21.98 = 240

So each spin of the staff is 1/240th of a mile…

To spin it at one mile an hour, you would have to spin it 240 times in 60 minutes (now why does that work out so easily?)

So 240 / 60 = 4

4 times a minute to spin at one mile an hour

to spin it at 100 miles an hour, you then get 400 times a minute.

400 / 60 = 6.6666 or 6 and 2/3

So six and 2/3 revolutions a second with a 7 foot staff is liekly to be a 100 miles an hour.

Sound pretty attainable to me...

What REALLY interests me is how he knows it is that fast, did he measure it with a camera or something, or is it just a made up figure...?

based on what I know or at least have gathered about the heart I'm led to belive that he made it up. And while he does spin vaugely fast he still has no control, his "best" move the one that "will get you earing 300 dollars a show in a week" is just doing split time with doubles while spinng around in a circel. I'm serious that's his ace in the hole the one that will "wow" the crowd.
and just for you charles re-printed here is the story of how I got to be the approving ninja.
For anyone who wasn't at the EJC I changed to the approving ninja beacause ROB (the non-heart), Ken and I did a Robert Heart Piss taking act on the renegade with me dressed up as a ninja to give "approval" to Ken's top student. That day the favourite quote was "twenty martial artist have approved my style" so we got 1 martial artist (me) to approve and I've been ninja ever since

I know it's wicked have you checked out the movies?

quote:
"The act before me was Robert Hart. He did a UV staff-spinning act. His costume made me feel a bit ill. Imagine an overweight bearded hippy from Hawaii in a black skintight outfit, which clings to every contour of his body. And is covered in multicoloured fluorescent stripes. That was Robert Hart. "
hurray, luke burrage is writing his most excellect mindless drivel diary account of ejc to remond us how groovy it was, don't bother reading the whole thing
but it does have this choice quote, and he goes on to say:

"I didn’t see his act but at one point he was meant to split his one thick staff lengthways into two and do some dual staff spinning. Unfortunately for Robert he dropped and one of the thinner parts snapped in half at the join. Much fumbling later (which I didn’t see but can imagine) he stomped backstage shouting “What a f*cking disaster!” "

thanks luke.

[ 21. August 2003, 23:37: Message edited by: Glåss ]

wow glass, that crowd shot on that link you put up is amazink! was that just a concentrated mass skillful performers being an audience?! oh the irony!! - i could imagine the *pressure*!!

tell me somefink, do they tolerate anarchic sillyness a la ninja outfits n all at this convention?! Now that youse are posting photos of EJC up, i'm all ears!! like, wow!

tolerate it,

bender, maaaaan,
Read the small print on the entrance ticket, you're not allowed in without a double scoop of daft topped with a flake 99 and 100's and 1000's.

OR do you want me to post the photo of my poi workshop where 65 people are learning to spin split time butterfly while rubbing one hand on each butt cheek.
rear view!

yes to ninja sillyness, and all your other sillyness.
no to: sensible shoes

yes give me the bum shot please god give me the bum

I believe it is our fate to see the bums.
It is our destiny.
I believe this night holds, for each and every one of us, the very meaning of our bum watching lives.
This is a bum war and we are soldiers. What if tomorrow the war could be over? Isn't that worth fighting for? Isn't that worth posting bum pictures for?