3 beat weave with doubles

Erm I'm sure it's on the board somewhere but I can't find it. Do you have to use finger spinning to do a 3 beat weave? If so, do you just hold the staffs normally when entering it cause I find the finger spin that seems necessary, very difficult?

Thanky

possible without a fingerspin, but it twists your wrists around horribly.
It's easier to do it follow-time, rather than split-time (which reminds me of Bovrilmonkey showing me follow-time 3-beat weave with poi yesterday, looks odd ) and really get the hang of doing staff crossovers first. Cos the timing has to be a little wonky with sticks to stop them clonking each other.

By follow time do you mean keeping 'em parallel?

Hmmm, now you got me thinking about poi again

yup, parallel, in-time, rotating same direction.

although butterfly crossovers are easier than follow time crossovers with sticks, so it might follow that butterfly weave is easier than 3bt weave.

possibly...

Actually, split-timed double staffs are parallel as well. You have to quarter-time them to get them perpendicular.

Which i don't think i've even tried



where are my sticks!!!
*runs off into the distance*

erm simian, mate, what is to 'quarter time' sticks? thanks man!

halfway inbetween follow time (sticks parallel) and split time (sticks at 180' to each other) so the sticks stay at right angles to each other all perpendicular, like.

Any move with sticks held in a cross could be said to be quarter timed. Even tho its in one hand.

erm...



*clutches head*

[tantrum] ok, that does it. i'm done trying to talk about sticks. its all entirely internally inconsistent and rife with contradictory terminology. the words all mean everything and nothing. Language is for telling the other apes 'the biggest fruit is over there' and 'look out theres a mammoth' NOT for describing the intricate paths of twirly cylinders around the body. i'm going home and i'm taking my ball with me [/tantrum]

simian - just to spice things up a bit, split-time is usually the same as follow-time...

hence a 'cross-follow' (weave) is where one poi ( i think i just swore in the pole forum) follows the other across the body.

parallel is usually referred to just as 'parallel' or sometimes 'same time'.

with sticks there are still split-time and same time butterfly type moves but as you quite rightly pointed out, with both in the same direction, parallel is the same as split-time.

can i book myself in for a butterfly crossover lesson please...?
(missed you last night @ brixtonia man manu came again and this time he sat and watched me do poi )

eeeeeeeep.

Coleman...thank you for that. I was thinking the same thing myself...

nice one available with snakes.... think i showed some of you londners this last time i was down....


just have a play... and keep them same time. no time for lengthy explanations sorry...

[grump] I knever seen a full 3 beat weave with doubles, lots of two beats maskerading tho... [/grump]

one little advantage of sticks is that spinning quarter time is much easier (crosses to you )

the snake thing is beutifull, but well hard, one hand snakes (thumb-extension) and tother hand dosnt, they seperate for 1/2 (?) a beat then back parralel witht he opposite hand snakeing for the transition back.

T :grump:

but the snake-thing is 3-beat...? why the grump...is it cause you still haven't worked out the weather comment...?

as three as it can be in parrelle i suppose.

And no, refer to poi moves for weathermen, im just grumpy today.

T :grump:

aaaaw (and other soothing noises...)


if you are really fussy and want to add more snakes then 5 and 7 beat ones happen too... just i think they are not pretty unless perfect so not on display yet...


R

Thought I'd drag this up again Rob....do you mean hold the staff and pretend it's a club and do normal sholder snakes in wheel plane...

The only way I've managed a 3 beat weave with doubles by doing it the same as poi but starting with the sticks between my 2 middle fingers making the finger roles way easier...

I think I can do the three beat with the snakes, but I dont get the extra beat versions...can you cast more light blue?

(and DSS if its the same move I'm doing its basically as you describe, shoulder snakes in wheel plane with the snakes used to do the lead change for the cross).

oooooh [censored].

bump me in a day or two and i'll explain in length, or get one or two on vid.
probly the former.




R

try this old thread on3-beat weaves

I'm just starting doubles again and I don't think u need to do finger spins. I'm trying it by using a double spin (4 beat?) on each side with doubles.

Hey Cole

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...with both in the same direction, parallel is the same as split-time.

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Wot u can't have split-time same direction moves with poles?

i guess you could argue that there is a difference between split and parallel time - parallel time would be same end of the staffs moving in time and split-time being opposite ends of the staffs moving in time.

my point was that both timings visually look very similar as they both have staffs spinning parallel to each other; hence the naming is quite confusing too.

quarter time is the one that looks really different although you rarely see people doing it with two hands, a one handed cross being the only quarter time move i see being spun regularly with double staffs.

i was going to reply, but the reply went all mutated and i had to quarantine it.

And i didn't even get round to talking about quarter timing in it, which was the whole point when i started...