Naming Staff Moves IV

Hi all. It's been a little quiet on the staff front for a while, but as there seems to be some more active staffers online I thought I would continue this long-running-saaaaga-of-a-staffer-whose-gone-to-the-dogs....

"""Here we go again in an exhaustive attempt to get some more common terms for staff moves to enable webbased sharinf of tricks.
There are three sections.

Staff Movements = What the staff does in the air regardless of how it is achieved).

Manipulation Movements = What your body and fingers etc do to make the staff behave a certain way.

Body Movements = Just what the body is doing, without referring to the staff at all.

These are split so that people who are doing certain moves in a different way with the same result get to share their ways instead of thinking they are the same. Which has been a major problem in the past.

----------Staff Movements----------------

* HELICOPTER = A horizontal spin in the same space, usually above the head.

* ROTOR = Any vertical spin that stays in one space. Same as HELICOPTER, but perpindicular to the ground.

* 1/2SPIN = Where the staff has only spun 180, this is regardless of any other motions or actions.

* FULLSPIN/DOUBLESPIN/TRIPLESPIN/ 1/4SPIN ETC
= As above, 1 spin is a complete rotation and the rest as they apply.

* FIGURE 8 = To do a 1/2SPIN on you left and right side with the path crossing directly in fron of you. A trail from the centre of the staff would make a sideways figure 8 wrapped around you.

* DOUBLE FIGURE 8 = An extension of the FIGURE 8, with two extra spins on each side.

* SIDEWAYS FIGURE 8 = A FIGURE 8 where the 1/2SPINS are in front and behind you, instead of on either side.

* POP = Simple flat throw into the air, horizontal without spinning unless otherwise stated.

* OVERHEAD POP = Flat throw from the front and caught behind or from behind and caught in front.

* CLOCKWISE = The spin of the staff in relation to the chest of the staffer

* ANTICLOCKWISE = Reverse of clockwise, or same direction but behind your back rather than in front.

----------Manipulation Movements----------

*PINWHEEL = When the staff spins in a large vertical circle made up of smaller circles. Most common pattern for a continous BTB move.

* FINGERSPIN = To roll the staff through your fingers one-by one, keeping the staff stationary and spinning in a ROTOR or HELICOPTER.

*** please note, FINGERSPINS do not need to travel along all five fingers, but the end action where the staff wraps under or over the hand to begin the motion again is seen as the end, not the beginning***

* PINKYSPIN = FINGERSPIN that begins with the pinky, and then to the ring finger, index finger and so on.

* THUMBSPIN = Same as PINKYSPIN, but starting form the thumb and then traveling along the pointing finger, index finger and so on.

* FORWARDS = To lead a movement or spin with the thumb on the leading part of the staff. As in slicing a sword down diagonally in front of you.

* BACKWARDS = Same as FORWARDS, but with the pinky on the leading part of the staff.

* FORWARDS FIGURE 8 = To lead with the thumb-half of the staff when doing a figure eight.

* Wrap = To roll the staff lengthwise around a body part.

* ARMWRAP/WRISTWRAP/NECKWRAP etc...

* CATCH = To grasp the staff in one or both hands that were not holding it earlier ( )

* PINCH = To grip the staff between non-hand body parts, such as the shoulder and neck or the forearm and bicep. The staff continues to move or spin to be a pinch, otherwise it is a STALL.

* NECKPINCH = To grip the staff between the neck and back or neck and chest while keeping it moving.

* HANDWRAP = To release the staff while spinning it so that it rolls over or under your hand and then cathing it again. Often used during FINGERSPINS to keep the staff centred.

* STALL = Any move that stops the spin completely for at least one milliheartbeat.

* FOOTSTALL = Horizontal catch or movement with the staff stationary and horizontal on your foot for at least one milliheartbeat.

* BALANCE = Balancing the staff on one end (preferably without fire) on a bodypart for at least one milliheartbeat.

* TOOTHGRAB = Any STALL or move where the staff is held by the mouth/teeth/TONGUE!!! etc. People like myself who experiment with moves like this should prepare themselves for ridicule...

* TUCK = Like an underarm roll. To swing the staff under your armpit, either to catch it there or as part of another move.

* PALMSPIN = To spin the staff in a flat palm, without using the fingers.

* "insert body part here"SPIN = To spin the staff on your "IBPH" without using hands or arms.

-----------Body Movements------------------

* 180 = Half-rotation of entire body (usually using feet)

* PIROUETTE = Full-rotation of body

* 45,90,270 = Well, you get the idea, aye?

* LEFT-TWIST = swiveling at the waist 90 degrees to your left

* RIGHT-TWIST = swiveling at the waist 90 degrees to your right

* LEFT-TWIST[45][20][180!] etc = Swiveling the appropriate number of degrees, also includes RIGHT-TWISTS.

***Any move calling for 180 or more should put an "!" after it, coz its very hard to do!***

Miscellaneous

*BURNOFF = To spin off excess fuel by spinning the staff horizontally on its own axis, sometimes producing two fireballs.

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Right, come on guys there must be lots more basic ones I've missed...

(Insert body part here) ROLL: Any move where the staff rolls along a body part?

Overhead Figure 8: A figure 8 executed above shoulder height?

Any of them help?

Spyke

Yep...I'll add the rolls in shortly...Cheers.

Unfortunately, I'm still not certain of what an overhead figure8 is. As if it goes above the arm for one sweep and hooks beneath it, then it seems to be a different move to what I know as a figure8.

With my understanding (which is often wrong), and overhead figure8 would hit the arm on ever downswing...

Could you help me out a bit more please Spike?

I know it is just flattery, but that was really helpful Charles, so thanks

what about flatspin, for when the staff is spinning resting on the palm of the body, like a palmspin but freakier.

N

Sorry Charles i was thinking that an overhead figure 8 should be termed more correctly as a sidewards overhead figure 8. the staff goes either side of the head rather than the chest and back. Looks really cool backwards.

Does that qualify as a new 'move' or just a variation? It can be done with doubles too i think, at least one more spin any way, maybe not two.

I'd love to get the in front of body one but it is beyond my grasp.

Spyke

thats funny, Id call that figure eight in front, chest and back would be sideways figure eight.

The things we think!

N

I'm still not getting this clear, here goes:

It is a overhead sidewards figure 8 because it goes past your face (spinning parallel to your body) and then past the back of your head (also parallel)

it is the same as a sidewards figure eight but instead of your arm being straightish out to the side, it is bent at the elbow towards your headso that it is above shoulder height.

Does that make sense?

Nix - flatspin - like palmspin but on a different part of the body? Like headspin for instance?

Spyke

PS I should have said this earlier but top work Charles, very comprehensive list so far.

Thanks Rozi...flattery is always good, but airmailed chocolate is even better
Can you tell me how it was helpful, then some other lurkers might benfit too?

And thanks Spyke, now I get it!!

Yeah, you can call it that if you like, same for a waist figure8 or an ankle figure8.

This thread isn't really here to to list every staff move ever, its trying to get a standard for the common moves that re the building blocks for a lot of staff.

Reading your posta again, that was a perfect description, and most people should get that (for some reaosn I didn't).

As long as the basic motion is the same, to prevent confusion, then that's cool.

---(sneaks in, feeds the fish, sneaks out again)---

--(sneaks in, eats the fish, sneaks out again)--

[ 13 July 2002, 01:34: Message edited by: Nix? ]

I suspect a sideways overhead fig 8, could also be described as a horizontal fig 8.

Would a definition of a staff flourish be useful in manipulation movements? And, could someone please enlighten me on this fish tail move.

Cheers

those were not really fish anymore charles...

Thought u might bump this up for everyone though mainly 4 me so its easier 2 get to.

Fairly new to this all but think im going along well. Got'n in ta breathing fire too, and can do dat fairly well and im aware of all the risks. Though im wondering what would be the best chem to breathe.... I have had a customer at work who's brother apparently does it suggest metho and cordial but the cordial would bugger up me staff so i dont quite belive dat. ne who. im off to twirl

So who's this Charles chap that started the thread?

And whatever happened to him......

No idea who he is...Stone, the fishtail isn't on here yet but I think it is like a horizontal figure 8 in one hand?

Can some other staffers please help to clarify this or to tellm eI've got it wrong completely?

how bout the corkscrew or was that already mentioned? and the windmill too?

peace

Windmill? With a staff? Isn't that just a fig 8 over your head?


If so then it'll be covered by fig 8.

Thanks’ Charles, good to see some action. Did you notice that this thread was started nearly 12-months ago?

Now for my next move request, wots is a “shot-gun”? It’s gotta be more than a double figure 8.

Shotgun? Windmill? Corkscrew? I guess maybe it is time to resurrect this thread, especially as everyone seems ot have gone leaps and bounds ahead of me...(like they weren't already!!!)

As to the age of this thread, Stone...Have you thought about it's name?

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Naming staff moves IV

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kinda implies a 3rd, 2nd and 1st thread doesn't it? I'll let you guys in on a little secret that I hinted at in the first one, which was the REAL reason for these threads.

The naming issue was and is useful, but there was a very sneaky side-issue which was why i decided to start all of these so long ago...