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#126490 - 26/10/04 06:48 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps *** [Re: spiralx]
oli Offline
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Registered: 24/07/03
Loc: bristol/ southern eastern devo...
gathy dose something insane like that, where it changes direction somewhere somehow... weird things do happen.
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#126491 - 26/10/04 06:53 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: spiralx]
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Registered: 15/01/02
Loc: Prague
Ok I found that with BF hyperloops:

When I make a tangle in buzzsaw with left Poi on the top and right on the bottom whetn they tangle inside(Im not sure if it matter?). And than I move the BFh.loop to the left plane and back inside. It makes the loop double.Than back into the left plane where u can "stop" moving with the BFh.loop for long time, than turn left and move the BFh.loop into the opposite inside plane, than again to the left plane and again inside. That get out the double loop and after one more beat BFh.loop untangle.
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#126492 - 26/10/04 09:22 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: Richee]
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Registered: 21/03/02
Loc: austin,tx
one more time.

idiot's guide.
...
okay, geeks guide. if this is cryptic please forgive. or bug coleman. but this really is the easiest way to learn these.
start with a split time bfly trinity mirror ww, with the full circle sides done inverted. mirror ww definition
seen from above the triangle has 3 sides, the front wall plane is one, the point of the triangle opposite the front wall plane is your chest, so the other two sides of the triangle are planes which go from your sternum out to the wall plane.

try the ww without the tanlgy bit first, and i promise once you get it clean the same "drag" transitions apply sewamlessly to the inverted bfly airwrap. for now, the two full circle "sides" of the ww are done as simple open bf inversions, or "buzzsaw butterflies." the right hand wick will be buzzsawing slightly to the right and the left hand on the left.
the carry pattern in front, when done correctly, will look like an ellipse. this is important in the beginning until you get more control and can flatten the carry plane.
if you are truly in split time the poi will both hit your chest at the same moment, and hit the outside points of the triangle coincidentally as well.

next try to add in the tangly bit, read up my old post on the jedi thread for a better description. basically start on one side, in the inversion, cross your hands to tangle when the wicks are on the wall plane point of the triangle, and pull hands apart so the chains are tangling as they hit the sternum. you could say this time the buzzsaw butterflies are done with the left hand chain slightly to the right and vice versa.
carry the tangle outside for a carry (or if you're crazy see if you can keep the tangle going on the wall plane before inverting again on the other side. tilt your carry plane 20 degrees or so off of vertical, the top away from your face and the bottom toward your feet) and then immediately bring to the right side and invert again to untangle.
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#126493 - 26/10/04 09:30 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: arashi]
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Registered: 21/03/02
Loc: austin,tx
one more thing. you can only turn one way, depending on 2 things... direction of butterfly, forward or reverse, and which hand is on bottom for the tangle during the inversion. ie. if you tangle a reverse inverted bfly by bringing the right hand underneath, you can only turn right. so if you get to the end of your pattern and you have a huge knot, try keeping everything the same and turning the other way.
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#126494 - 26/10/04 09:31 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: i8beefy2]
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Registered: 21/03/02
Loc: austin,tx
oh.. and,
sup, beefy!

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#126495 - 26/10/04 10:19 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: arashi]
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Registered: 05/11/01
Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both
ok, can i try and translate this, more so I know im on the right idea rather than anything else.

(btw, got the btb mirror ww, thanks man)

your talking about a ww infront, so that the butterfly goes from behind you at the left hip, carried across the front wall plane to behind at the right hip.

exept that you are talking trinity, and inverted.

trinity you mean that the triangle is a flat wall plane in front, with the other two planes on a line from the edge of the wall plane circle pointing back towards your chest.

inverted you mean instead of going btb you go between the arms. wot im not shure about is if you mean between the arms classic buzzsaw style, or between the arms and the body with say (on the left side) with the left hand out behind you and the right hand at the hip and the poi spinning between them behind the body.

thats the bit im confused about.

for the rest you tangle the poi in whatever invert position we are in, carry across slightly tilted forward and untangle on the other side invert.

Im just aiming for clarifaction here, sounds really wicked.

thanks,

T
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#126496 - 26/10/04 12:02 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: [Nx?]]
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Registered: 21/03/02
Loc: austin,tx
the full circles (inversions) stay right in front of you too, classic buzzsaw. condense the ww pattern to circles in front of your chest. arms never go far from right out in front of you. i can do this move barely moving my arms and just pivoting at the waist. the slight tilt is ONLY necessary if you want to stall and keep the "gordian knotted" or "tangled" bfly going in the carry zone

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#126497 - 26/10/04 12:12 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: arashi]
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Registered: 05/11/01
Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both
cool, thanks man

*runs off to try*

T
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#126498 - 26/10/04 12:17 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: [Nx?]]
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Registered: 05/11/01
Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both
MooooooHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
got it, 3rd try (the first two were in the wrong direction)

seriously weird. but i think this winter will be spent on trinity.

cheers!

T
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#126499 - 26/10/04 12:55 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: [Nx?]]
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Registered: 21/03/02
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#126500 - 26/10/04 01:03 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: arashi]
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Scoiattolo de mare

Registered: 05/11/01
Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both
is it just me or is it *much* easier to do trinity when your a bit isolated?

T

p.s. got trinity invert airwraps too!
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#126501 - 26/10/04 04:06 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: [Nx?]]
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Registered: 17/10/03
Loc: Aotearoa (NZ)
ty nx? for the translation, and thanks adashi for the inspriation.

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#126502 - 27/10/04 05:14 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: arashi]
Richee Offline
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Registered: 15/01/02
Loc: Prague
Quote Arashi: "gordian knotted"

The knot that u can make when u stall in buzzsaw looks cool
too

"split time bfly trinity mirror ww".. split time Ok, bfly Ok,
trinity ooops no, mirror (I know how it look like u know, glass
and these things...), ww well no(waist wrap?). Sorry man I
finished here..
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#126503 - 27/10/04 07:04 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: Richee]
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Scoiattolo de mare

Registered: 05/11/01
Loc: Europe,Scotland,Both
have alook at the bf ww thread for the defintion of mirror, but basically its ww with all caries, no beat behind.

T
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#126504 - 27/10/04 08:04 AM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: [Nx?]]
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Registered: 09/10/04
Loc: between my headphones
first of all that all sounds badass. but what i like to do is cross my poi on the up beat of the buttfly and do a single wrist wrap to throw me into a normal weave hyperloop. Its a good quick way to get out of a butterfly.
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#126505 - 29/09/05 10:24 PM Re: Butterfly air wraps [Re: Burning Brain]
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Registered: 29/07/04
Loc: Cambridge UK
erm... I'm not really sure where this belongs. I've been playing with a butterfly nexus recently. Do a butterfly, put the 'wrong' hand on top, and you get a nexus that you can perpetuate by sort of isolating the handles. I think durbs does this in 'Fun on the Garden'. What is it called, and are there any suggetions for variations that are known to work?
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