Inversions, insides, atomics, oh my!

you know i wish i could watch that video on page 6 sometime. i spaced and thought it was an inverted 3bt, is it just an inverted atom being threaded? or are you transitioning from one kind to another? and isn't there a inverted 3bt video somewhere?

and rev, these ARE like butterflies. but in that context, what isn't? did i say somewhere that there was a point? but there's definitely more here than this. i'm under a crunch again though... people do do, things to see...
i'll go with b) too

arashi start with a basic inverted weave (buzzsaw weave ie. trailing poi entering the inversion) and then bring the near side of the right poi 45 degrees to the right and the near side of the left poi 45 degrees to the left while doing the same move. It's that

Woa,

hey folks, long time no see.

Thanks for the diagrams arashi, I think I understand them, a few questions tho.

1: are you moving your body around as your changing the right hand through the diffrent sectors of the atom?

2: what the bluddy hell is a crane? I thought at first it ment same time (like spider is weave so crane is same time) but then there was a bit spiral said about split-time and same time and that was diffrent.

so what is crane? I was talking to dragon a while about it the other day, but you know dragon, he knew what you ment, but couldent tell me!

other than that, I got stage 1 2 and 3 ok, workin on the 5bt (when I say got it i stood there and did it with a little thought, its going to be another season untill I actually know it in my bones.

nice thread, once you skip huge chunks, anything with the word anti-spin in it bassically.

T

oh btw,

thanks for that waistwrap butterfly trinity tangle thing arashi, got it btb the other day, first new move i learnt in aaaages.



T

1)no. not really. you know, depends on your flexibility, i suppose. really this is all just reference for us to talk more. but i won't be typing as much until we've got pretty pics to look at... www.firecircus.com will be back soon, in force... things will be much easier then, this is like getting into a hot tub with cold feet

2)crane that's about it... really "crane" means the moves above labeled crane they all have a similarity, if your timing is off slightly you get a knot

btb trinity airwrap inversions... rock on, dude

Doh!

thanks arashi, guess I should read the replies to my own questions sometimes....

and i must have read it before cos i posted a little further down the page

I think maybe the best bet with thease things is to play around, tho a logical apraoch would stop my head exploding...

T

okay... logical... keep your head...
cranes all have this attribute... for each beat of a bfly/atomic, one poi leads the first intersection, and follows on the second.
intersection is... in the 2 planes in a bfly, where they cross into each other.

ok well here's my confusion..
1- edit: removed because even I don't understand what I meant..

2- when I do same direction stuff they can be forced (barely) into a same point.. in whihc case they work like a same direction butterfly (go figure).. whihc means if they fall out of exact time.. they tangle.. however they spin quite comfortably and at anytiming if you expand the point out a little whihc makes more liek a box than an atom.. again go figure.. the closer they are to being baout the same point.. the less freedom there is in timing.. and thus I don't really see the point of this atomically speaking.. that's all.. I'm sure more of this crane business will strike my interest.. but right now I can't say I can comment.. because I don't see what needs to be said that arashi hasn't said clear enough..

just printed this out.

haven't read it since page 3


might have some comments in three or four weeks


cole. x

awesome... wlecome to some crack cole.. cant wait for your input..

you can ignore about 3 pages of it or so... some moron kept giving arashi crap... dunno what his deal was... but it all gets worked out in the end me thinks.. though I'm not really sure...

arashi- did you ever work out the anti-spin business, so we can talk more about its inversions.

and whatever came of the butterfly thing? I seem to remember some x guy talking about how he had figured out the proper way to do one.. not sure how mine was improper.. or what he meant by a proper one..

and back to you again arashi- ever work out the butterfly sj.. I can spin in it now problem.. , but I'm still having issues getting in and out.. doesnt work as clean as the same direction ones.. and I'm having problems keeping the momentum of the spin whilst moving my arms about..

wow

rev- i just figure i'll let matt show me in person

okay, been reading this backwards cos i'm weird.

has really helped my understanding of antispin techniques (s to tenticle, rev and dut for that).

spent 10 minutes having a spin last night and recorded it all - was playing with the relationships between isolation and antispin.
i still don't get antispin completely - i have to use quite a bit of separation to get a weave to work and it feels loads like inside out isolations at the moment.
wallpane transfers are helping me understand the principles of the half circle of antispin used to get the wrong hand crossing over first.

trying to understand how far inverted antispin planes are is confusing me lots.

mainly, i just got very confused but it makes for a funny video

another three weeks and i'll make meself another tape and see how much more i get...


the bit about bf weaves being half antispin reminded me of some past/future echos i had back when oli came up with the name 'anti-weave' (when very few knew what the hell was going on with this backwards crazyness)

i can't believe it has taken me all this time to get around to trying to spin and understand all of this stuff (although i couldn't juggle 5 balls then and i can now so i guess i have a fairly decent excuse ).


the main thing is, i'm really enjoying poi again




cole. x

oh for fu(ks sake, if even cole is reading all of this i suppose i better had too...;)

aaargh.

see you all in a while.

R

its not a competition rob...

i've not read even close to all of it yet - so far just the pages around ben's antispin diagrams cos i really don't understand how it all works.
i have a few variations of antispin weaves with different parts inverted which confuses me lots.

am considering printing out the spherc thread on antispin but i think another couple of hours spinning somwhere would do me far more good at this stage.

it still all feels inside out...


cole. x

i never said it was(but i'll win )

lovely day outside (and inside, and any inversions thereof).

might finally go and work on some of this.

*sigh*

yeah i've always had the suspicion that antispin weaves are inside family, but until i see one and know what it actually is i just let it be. i figure after uberpoi we'll have it sorted, since matt's coming too. maybe even filmed...

Rev > About the atnispin weave. When I first try I have same problem when the hands cross. Now I know each hand have its own vertical plane. Forward backward works good, but turn still not. I think giant weave will help.
Some connection with isolation I see, when I do with shorty Poi "BTN backward Isolation" and than "BTN antispin" like small flower in BTN plane.

maybe i should read this thread too.... ive dipped into it in the past and undertsood very little. but now i think i undertsand inversions.. to a certain extent, i might be able to make more sense out of this. i think the interesting thing about this thread is it only makes sense to people who allready understand what its trying to explain.