HELP! about to give up

Im not gonna read all these replys because I dont really have the time right now. I watched the video and it just made it worse, so I did a search and found a useful diagram. It shows a slightly different way to move your arms, but it show it step by step. the only difference I can tell is that your arm movements in the diagram are more exaggerated(Easy to change) I leaned thanks to it in an hour.

http://www.geocities.com/firepoi/chase.html

Dont start with the weave is my help. Imagine if there is 10.000 things to learn about poi on a list that´s made for a beginner nI guess that the weave is somewhere around place 5.000-7.000.
In my opinion people should learn so much other stuff before a 3bt weave. I know that it feels sweet to nail it and learn it but then what?
I remember how I started, I remember how long time it took me and now when I understand everything a little bit more I would start on a totally different way :-/
Don´t do my misstake, learn planes, timings, directions, turns, footwork, how to make circles (not ovals), how to grip your poi on different ways, differences between poi, bodypositions, spinning points, meeting points, crossers and then after this do the weave. Probalby you already learned the weave if you did the stuff above, it comes very naturally and it will be so much better performed if you practive the things above

That was a lot of text, it was just meant to be some tips for beginners and now when I read it it just sounds silly, weird and almost rude.

If you take it in and helps you I´m happy

Dreaming of circles

//Thomas

with the exception of what Thomas said about crossers, I wholeheartedly agree. However, it might be he was referring to crossovers, which is more fundamental than crossers( a move defined by first being able to weave or butterfly), then ..well....what he said.

That said, teaching someone the three beat weave can help in that they feel that they are learning something.

But Thomas' way is better.

I sometimes wish I had learned like that. I need to find the time to break my moves down and relearn them.

I never learnt turns... I couldnt do a low turn or a high turn. First turn I ever did was with the 3 beat... it just sort of happened.

With some movements breaking plane can really help to learn, the awkward hand positions that people come across for the 3 beat for example wouldnt be possible if they were trying for clean planes and who knows if they would've gotten it as quickly if they were worrying too much about the planes?

That said I do teach timing, planes, directions and sometimes grips before moving onto weaves and such things... but it depends on the student... a lot just want to "learn something" in order to feel accomplished, as aston said.

I wish I had a teacher that wasn't text, pictures, or videos on the internets.

I only know 1 spinner in the area, and he's usually too busy with his own thing to hang out, so he says...

Ah well, I keep plucking away randomly at things. =)

Thats all I've ever had...

Actually, a good source of learning has been the people I've taught. They'll give me little ideas and I'll link them together into something more complex than they intended, but even a lot of it just has merit, small things I was too busy working on more complex things to have seen.

Edit:

meshunderlay, everything you learn, learn in reverse as well...

Remember to learn to control your speed, that helps with learning as well as dancing...

Learn Split time, same time, same direction, butterfly, antispin and "spin?" as well as combinations of all of those..

Basically all movements can be learned as fitting into one of these...

Nothing is too hard for you to learn, ever... in fact, try to learn things that most other "beginners" do not... Everything is interconnected, you can focus on a certain trick for months and then there will be a whole bunch of related things that you'll be better at as a result...

As I said earlier, I could never do reel turns or anything like that... but once learning to turn in all number of other ways within tricks I just found I could do it.

There are no tricks, just ways of moving your body around the poi...

Sorry if this is of no use to you, meshunderlay, but I just thought since you had no teacher I'd throw in a few tips I feel are very important...

another from me... although I can't apply it to poi, cos a 3bt, 5bt and ttn are about all I can do; but it applies equally to my preferred weapon of double staff, too.

I learnt like most people do, by copying figure 8s and propellers etc, but the figure 8 builds upon 1bts, which I didn't get to until fairly recently, when I picked up doubles for the first time.

learn the basics... it's not until you start to think more in terms of planes, angles, circles than tricks, that things like body movement will follow seamlessly.

is difficult to convince oneself to approach any task like this, however, because it's boring; I remember yuta saying in a poi workshop at uberoz last year, that he'd spend hours drilling circles, learning how to maintain planes, how big circles and little circles interact; what happens to them when you turn your hips, your shoulders etc. most people, myself included get trapped into learning the next "trick" cos it's cool and just plain more fun.

dunno what the answer is, though...

Which most people fall into.

Actually, that could be an interesting poll: do most of the spinners widely acknowledged as really good learn how thomas suggested or just by going from one thing to another?

Anyone know?

oof. I think you'd have to privately email many of those publically acclaimed spinners. I really dont see them posting online in big numbers. It would be a good poll and probably a big eye-opener for all those spinners out there looking to follow in those famous footsteps.

Everyone learns differently... you've got to cater to strengths and weaknesses.

Regardless, I daresay that for any successful whirler, you've got to be able to break things down into its more basic components... some people do this automatically and don't entirely understand how they got the answers, some need to actually break it down.

Apart from that its all up to the individuals focus in poi... if you don't want to get into tech stuff and are happy just knowing a bit of poi... learning the 3 beat and all that kind of jazz is probably very nice... (this is for all those people who don't have the time to really learn)

Yeah, theres the other major component... time... if you want outcomes practice daily.