Speedchange in a beat

Just because you can do it within a polyrhythm doesn't mean it's not a polyrhythm itself - in the strictest sense of the word. It's possibly "super-imposed" polyrhythm but not quite.

For notation purposes you could use 1.25:0.75 (or whatever), which would differentiate it from 5:3.

But language aside, I don't think it should be bunked in with the polyrhythm moves as it's a very seperate technique in it's own right.

I like "speed-bumping", though you can also surely do the opposite where you slow the poi down for half-a-beat so the other poi overtakes it... Not sure what that'd be called

"Speed-shifting" perhaps as it's almost the equivalent of shifting the beat in drumming terms (or just "shifting" for the cool people )
Then you can "drop" or "add" a half-beat

My brain hurts

Me likes shifting =) It has a nice ring to it. Or speed-speed-shifting yes!

Mine to, but I have a natural headache, somewhat fitting for this situation.

Don't know if anyone can get it consistent yet. I'm quite certain I can feel it, but it's so damn hard to actually understand the visual difference.

Cos you actually end up where you started, though sooner than you should.

Ow.

I imagine it looks like when we were kids and watched cartoons and the words to the song were on the screen and that little ball would bounce on the words exactly to the rhythm of the song...I bet that's what it looks like, only in circles instead of a line.

Durbs is quite right that you end up where you started, though sooner than you should.

I've done something similar to this, as part of a 5 beat weave. A normal 4 beat weave would be asymmetrical, but this makes a symmetrical weave with 4 beats. Easier to put to music, as not much music is written in 5/4.

Putting it into a weave:

To try and ease in the way I'm descibing it:
Take a 3 beat weave. Counting the 'beats' as the poi pass your legs. On your left you have 1:R 2:L 3:R and then on your right 1:L 2:R 3:L (L and R are the left and right poi respectively).

Describing the 5 beat, we have on the left 1:L 2:R 3:L 4:R 5:L and on the right, 1:R 2:L 3:R 4:L 5R.

Describing a 'speedbumped' weave, we have on the left 1:L 2:R 3:R 4:L, and on the right 1:R 2:L 3:L 4:R.

In effect, you miss out the middle beat. On the left, on the second beat, you speed up the R poi so that it overtakes the other until you're back in split time, and continue the weave. Then the next beat will be the R poi passing your legs again, on the left. The mirror of this happens on the right.

So this time, instead of arriving back where you started, but sooner than you should, you end up further through the weave, sooner than you should. I think this means one poi spins through 450-degrees, quickly, while the other spins normal speed through 90-degrees.

I don't often describe poi moves in words, I hope that makes sense.

It does make sense....

Sodding hard though....

I am having trouble passing them past each other. Also suspect that it looks ugly, but that might just be my weave. :P

Hey bro.. been ages. Just popped in to browse a bit and caught this one! You're looking heaps good these days!! Sorry about the lack of constructive criticism. But yep. Keep it up man!

Sometime at Firedrums I actually started to feel these speedbumps a bit better, and during a tech talk session with some legends, Alien Jon and Justin, and some other folks I was just counting the ways to spin poi, and trying to figure out if there was more.

This gem is what I found:

This is very, very hard but possible. REVELATION: You can change the driving style in the fraction of a beat. This will actually leave a dent in your circle, either inward or outward.

My original idea was that if you can make a few dents, say three, you would almost make a cogwheel circle. However I've only been able to make one very subtle dent, but it's definitely something I'm going to practice.

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Also a question for Thomas. When you speedbump does the poi follow the orbit of a circle? or when it skips ahead does it break the circle a bit by nature? So far my circle gets kind of distorted because of the flick of the wrist...

???

That might be what was making my crude attempts at a "pure" four beat ugly. Dunno.

Will play with it some more.

Id like to just throw word Hyper Rhythmic out here to see how it hits you... Like nesting a rhythmic variation inside an outer rhythmic structure... Rhythm within rhythm = hyper rhythm?

I love the word, but the only gripe I have is that it interferes with "Hyper loop" which to me is a tangle that keeps tangling around itself. ( Orbital ) being the real name.

It might make sense or just be a source of confusion to some. But I like it and I think I will even use it...

So what I'm trying to do are "Hyper rhythmic driving style changes".

=)

Nerds (compliment)

Hey Thomas! So glad you coming to UberOz! Its gonna be (nerdy) fun!

This is fun! I just needed to play with that 5 beat explanation a bit and it was mine. It feels so nice; the one poi just takes up its space a beat ahead of schedule, sexy $$

_Zealot

I have a poly-rhythmic type move I do from thread the needle (aka punch through) where I speed up the forwards poi, then let it fall back into regular timing as I pull it back. Is that sort of along the lines of what we are talking about?

Hmm... Are you talking about like split time thread the needle? Because I always thought that was polyrhythmic.

If at any time one poi is going faster than the other, then its polyrhythmic, I believe... moreso if its 2:1 or 3:1 or 3:2 or some sort of relative speed... which it almost always is just so it works properly as a pattern involving two poi.

what I consider to be the split time thread the needle is where the heads meet at the sides rather then the top and bottom (hands are bobbing side to side).

What i am talking about is a polyrhythmic but by Nevisoul's definition is not actually a speedbump since it does not "change the speed within a beat" but rather does two or more beats in the forwards punch before falling back into the normal 2beat pattern.

OH! I didnt even look at the thread I was in. I thought you were asking about polyrhythms not speedbumps... I believe the poi that is in front has to change in order for it to be a speedbump, yeah.

And RE:Split time thread the needle, I always felt that in order to make it split time it ended up being polyrhythmic because if I do the same action with my hands apart the one out in front is doing two beats to the one that is coming from the bottom to the top(done with extension is what I mean by "With hands apart"), but I never really did pay much attention to what was going on there, I just knew I liked it.

Way too tired... am I on topic or way off?