Need help with baton?

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but if you read my post correctly, I was refering to putting spin on the staff while throwing it up at the SAME HEIGHT, which makes what I said correct. If I was to throw up the staff head level, with no spins, or little spins, it would not stay in the air as long as if I had put more spins on it. Of course I know that the height makes a difference, but you must have missed me saying throwing it up at the same height. If you don't believe me, do the test yourself and throw it up head level with no spin compared to three spins, and see which falls quicker.

As for practicing making full complete rotations, I feel that it is a good practice exercise. I know that this is no "baton competition", and I am not saying it is wrong to catch it on a half rotation, this is staff after all, and no-one can tell the difference on the ends of the staff. But like I said, and will say again, IT IS A GOOD PRACTICE EXERCISE for getting spin on your tosses.

As for your physics, etc., try twirling a baton first before you decide to trash it and the theory behind using it as a staff. If I had never twirled a baton for so long and seriously, I would never be able to twirl the staff in the controlled and advanced way that I do. It is being a former baton twirler that makes me have the advantage over most staffers, seriously speaking. It will be hard for many of you staffers to understand this since you have probably never even been around baton twirling, but I have been "twirling a stick" so to speak for a long time, for 21 yrs!!! So I do know what I am talking about, whether you agree with me or not. If you have been twirling staff, or a stick for as long as me, I would love to hear your opinion. But then again, like I have made the comment before, that all or most staffers will crucify me for, is that staffing is an easy version of baton. I know, like I said, I will be crucified for this comment, AGAIN, but if you were a baton twirler, before you were a staffer, you would say the same thing. Like I have said before, the best staffer I have ever seen is a former baton twirler, world champ, etc. And for those of you who disagree, I challenge you to go to your local communities, and start taking baton twirling lessons, and you will see, what is harder, staff or baton.

I don't want anyone to have hard feelings, but it seems that everytime I try to publically help people who have questions, or seek my help, others are always so quick to crash my ideas and help. For those of you so anxious to do so, why don't you try to practice the same exercises yourself? Come, I dare you to walk in my shoes. Can you........ or will you.......?

evening,

Oh look a sea elephant, 18 inches from tip to tail, that down-turned snout is over 18 feet long.
/ Distraction mode seems to have failed.

Tanessa, Been twirling since you were 4!

From club juggling I'd say that I though a flat throw and a fast spining throw with the centre of gravity of the club going to the same height. would have the same time. but I've never actually tried throwing a flat and a spin together.

From physics/engineering I'd say that conventional basic theory would put them as having the same height.
BUT.....

mr Impossible can do anything. so I'm still open minded on this. (from the mr men books, thanks Kat) So...

theory idea, (but I'm not sure, just an idea)
Theres a chance with aero-dynamic thinking,
A spinning staff would have higher drag, (like a spinning wheel on a bicycle) therefore to throw to the same height, you'd have to throw it harder, and it would take longer to get up there and longer to come back down. Effect would be much bigger on lit staff so....
its a maybe.

well the proof is in the experiment, not the theory, Charlie Chuckles and Nix? you got doubles, can you go do some throws lit and unlit
catch, throw and peak at the same height, with a spotter and report back on the airtime?
Do you see this effect, and does it have

Tanessa, I'm strongly of the belief that,
Harder is not better.
But I don't understand, a baton is a stick,
a firestaff is a stick they're the same thing, exactly the same thing.
How can you say that something is harder than itself, sounds like nonsense

But if you are looking for something harder than stick, you might enjoy 1 ball juggling (Contact). I think you might like it, and IMHO the hardest of the lot.

And if you dont mind can you tell me what these mean, not moves but what are they:
Basic T Strut
Fancy Strut
Mace

be cool y'all
Drew

"like linear momentum, ang. mom. must be conserved." Coleman.
ohh no nononononnono
Energy not conserved in this system.
lost to air drag, the question is weather the no drag approximation is valid.
And whether in the height we can throw this effect will be noticable or significant.
I'm admitting I'm a bit rusty on this. any ideas?

drew

i love my stick, wether its hard or not. one thing i dont like is all the bull shit going on in this thread... politics, politics, politics.
seems it all went to shit.
[leaves room quietly]

before i do leave, the video is the shit, i love what i saw, but in my eyes theres a hugh difference between staff and baton period. neither looks harder than the other.. their both sticks, end of.

im with all of you on this one ... tanessa i think i must agree with the guys that they are exactly the same, just longer, or heavier... same thing but different...

and i can proudly say i have now had some baton lessons... just you wait for silliness!!!

back to loving my staff again... i think the imminent arrival of a 1.45 aerotech might have something to do with it... hehe

as i said tho i am loving baton spinning... but for a heavy staff every time i would go for being able to count the 1'2 rotations. ie be able to catch after any no of them... still the same control principle. and the other thing... ithink i will never agree on the extra thumb throw... just can't get the height with my larger toys....

much love and respect to you all(pk be quiet all these political issues were on the edge of resolution !!!!!!)
Rob

glass.

I recon your right, a spinning object should induce more drag than a still one, but on and unlit staff or batton ill bet this effect is negligible, with a lit staff im not so shure.

alsoalsoalso, agree contact ball good/hard/plesure. kneed more tricks, http please?

PK, ta.

N

*bump*

because I want to try and read this tomorow.

actually what I want is to learn contact but I think its funny reading a lexicon that is completley over my head. it makes me want to figure it out.

You guys are unreal, hope I can learn from you sometime in living color.

a

Does anybody have a full length baton twirling video? I really wann see one in freeze frame motion.

!!"MONSTER ROLLS"!!

<godzilla picks up a suspension bridge support and starts twirling like a madmonster>

And if anybody has any samoan fireknife dancing videos / recommendations for ones to buy, would be well appreciated.

Yay - off topic!

Just was at the National Rainbow Gatering and saw a girl named Michelle Baas spinn three Batons on fire at once!! Talk about rapid Fire!!! We spent some time together and come to find out she has a few gold meddles in world baton chapionships. The Girl was amazing to say the least!!! I learned so much Staff from her! What is funny however is the fact that she now has dreads and pearcings, I guess if she was to go back to compeating they would never let her in... even though her name is so big in the Baton world. Crazy sport! I think she would Blow the Compition away! Especily if she spinns them on fire!!!

Peace and Blessings
~Fire Spirit

I have a small one I can give you: (the what is baton? one) What is your msn name again? plus i have the 'MONSTER ROLLS' one now too, thanks to drew...

Elo

Any chance I could see some of this baton action? Would be very lovely indeed...

a

yup, tell me your hotmail address by pm before 8 tonight, and I can stream em too you too... or alternately, I could tell you my hotmail a address and yadda yadda yadda...

sooo busy....

Monstor Rolls is right, those girls have no respect for the laws of physics.

Hi Tanessa,

Having learnt the basics of staff in Thailand I have been practising with a broom handle! Sad I know! Anyway, Im about to buy my first staff with which to carve the air with flame and was wandering what you would recommend for a first timer? Long, short, heavy, light, telescopic?? Any advice appreciated for a total newcomer.... Thanks,

Dan