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Posted:
I respect your point, but don't agree with you. How hard is this for anyone to say? Most of us here have said it (or something close to it) in this forum. I end most of my debates with my friends with it. So why can't the majority of people, esspecially our "leaders", say it?
Think about most of the discussions/debtes you have had in you life. Some may have ended with one side changing views. but for the most part, they end in dead-lock. There's only so much anyone can say, about any one topic, untill you're just repeating yourself, and going around in circles. i for one hate repeating myself, and hate it when people do it to "stress a point." You're not stressing a point, you're adding stress to a situation.
So why not just say "I respect your point, but I don't agree with you" and end it? why do people feel the need to hammer their point of view into your head? What do you guys think, am I right for thinking this way, or am I just a dork for thinking people could be respectful in debates?
Reason I'm asking. I was having coffee with a friend of mine of over the weekend, and we got to talking about local issues. With out boreing you with the spacifics, let's just say that she could, or would, not let the topic end. We got to the point were I said I respect your point etc. But she kept pushing her point for the next hour......I love this girl to death, but if I would have had duct tape, I would have used it
I respect your point, but don't agree with you. How hard is this for anyone to say? Most of us here have said it (or something close to it) in this forum. I end most of my debates with my friends with it. So why can't the majority of people, esspecially our "leaders", say it?
Think about most of the discussions/debtes you have had in you life. Some may have ended with one side changing views. but for the most part, they end in dead-lock. There's only so much anyone can say, about any one topic, untill you're just repeating yourself, and going around in circles. i for one hate repeating myself, and hate it when people do it to "stress a point." You're not stressing a point, you're adding stress to a situation.
So why not just say "I respect your point, but I don't agree with you" and end it? why do people feel the need to hammer their point of view into your head? What do you guys think, am I right for thinking this way, or am I just a dork for thinking people could be respectful in debates?
Reason I'm asking. I was having coffee with a friend of mine of over the weekend, and we got to talking about local issues. With out boreing you with the spacifics, let's just say that she could, or would, not let the topic end. We got to the point were I said I respect your point etc. But she kept pushing her point for the next hour......I love this girl to death, but if I would have had duct tape, I would have used it
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playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
If you deliberately ignore facts, ie make the decision after accepting a fact but not admit it to others and still state something you know to be incorrect then it's a lie, not an opinion.
I certainly won't dispute that
Oooh where did that come from? I thought I was the sarcastic one in here! That's two bouts of sarcasm in only one thread! Yey 
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If you deliberately ignore facts, ie make the decision after accepting a fact but not admit it to others and still state something you know to be incorrect then it's a lie, not an opinion.
Written by: Dave
nevertheless, in the context of an everyday conversation/debate (or maybe an on-line discussion on a spinning board?), I do believe that few would quibble if someone said 'that opinion (that the Earth is flat) is wrong'
I certainly won't dispute that
Written by: Dave
But, who am I to quibble, with my notoriously badly worded posts and limited reasoning ability
Oooh where did that come from? I thought I was the sarcastic one in here! That's two bouts of sarcasm in only one thread! Yey
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Let's relight this forum 
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Location: London
Posted:
but how do you determine the point when the evidence becomes strong enough that the opinion becomes unsubstantiated and turns into a wrong fact? Isn't that a matter of opinion?
but how do you determine the point when the evidence becomes strong enough that the opinion becomes unsubstantiated and turns into a wrong fact? Isn't that a matter of opinion?
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playing the days away
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Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
playing the days away
7,263 posts
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom
Posted:
oooh.....good point. Iguess it would be when it becomes beyond resonable doubt, but then that's opinion too.
hmmmmmm......
Certainly a floor to my logic, I've never really taken it to the enth before, but at least I still know what I mean
It's great how a small sentance is the first thing to make me question my own logic, after getting through such a myriad of over written posts
oooh.....good point. Iguess it would be when it becomes beyond resonable doubt, but then that's opinion too.
hmmmmmm......
Certainly a floor to my logic, I've never really taken it to the enth before, but at least I still know what I mean
It's great how a small sentance is the first thing to make me question my own logic, after getting through such a myriad of over written posts
Let's relight this forum
Stargazer
6,650 posts
6,650 posts
Posted:
besides I forgot: thanks to Sethis and Jackit...
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Besides: what's fact today, is a lie tomorrow and forgotten day after... there were enough "facts" that have been around until they were proven wrong...
it's a wrold of trial and error
besides I forgot: thanks to Sethis and Jackit...
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Besides: what's fact today, is a lie tomorrow and forgotten day after... there were enough "facts" that have been around until they were proven wrong...
it's a wrold of trial and error the best smiles are the ones you lead to 
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1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
no excuses. no apologies.
1,799 posts
Location: aotearoa, New Zealand
Posted:
yeah, no absolutes.
everything is relative.
(even this).
yeah, no absolutes.
everything is relative.
(even this).
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
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Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted:
The opinion can be measured by the validity of its logic and how well supporting evidence relates to the conclusion.
An opinion might be logical but unsupported...or it can be supported by facts that do not actually relate to it - neither option is very convincing IMHO. If we change the word 'opinion' to 'argument' (I think we can for the sake of this discussion) it becomes a bit clearer I reckon.
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although - if you are talking about apples and oranges (ie : I prefer apples to oranges) then anyone who is trying to convince you that you should prefer oranges should get a life
EDITED_BY: Pyrolific (1139196562)
The opinion can be measured by the validity of its logic and how well supporting evidence relates to the conclusion.
An opinion might be logical but unsupported...or it can be supported by facts that do not actually relate to it - neither option is very convincing IMHO. If we change the word 'opinion' to 'argument' (I think we can for the sake of this discussion) it becomes a bit clearer I reckon.
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although - if you are talking about apples and oranges (ie : I prefer apples to oranges) then anyone who is trying to convince you that you should prefer oranges should get a life
EDITED_BY: Pyrolific (1139196562)
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