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UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
This is not a thread about the relationship (or lack of) between The Jollly Fat man and the Bearded Hippy lookalike.

I think I have a moral objection to the continuing misleading of the Children in todays world.

Why do we make our Children believe so heavily in something that doesnt exist? Gravity is another good example of this.

What I object to is the systematic deception of Children, in the vain hope that they believe that if they dont behave in the year, they will get Cole instead of presents.

I also object to the fact that when children lie to parents, they will get told off, yet when the parents lie to the children, it is seen as acceptable.

Would Children just simply not be able to comprehend the fact that Christmas is based on a dying religion, and its just the fact that people enjoy getting cool stuff for free, that we give out presents nowerdays?

umm

mycoBRONZE Member
Pooh-Bah
2,084 posts
Location: melbourne, victoria, australia


Posted:
Santa:
*promoting obesity, unhealthy lifestyle choices (alcohol, tobacco, hi fat and sugar foods)

*encouraging children to feel comfortable with the fact that a stranger will creep into their house in the middle of the night, and encourage them to sit on this strange mans lap when in shopping centers

*good girls and boys get presents therefore kids who don't get presents (poor, and those of other religions/traditions) are naughty

*(as UCOF said) encourages families, friends, media, everyone to LIE TO CHILDREN

*portrays people with dwarfism (ok, they're elves) in a condescending way

*slave labour/ mistreating animals (the elves and reindeer)

*can't think of anything else, but surely there is lots

UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
And why do I always capitalise Chiildren?

umm

mechBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
6,207 posts
Location: "In your ear", United Kingdom


Posted:
a very strange post jon......

Step (el-nombrie)


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
Why do richer kids always get better presents than poor ones?



Why can Children not see that the entire concept of one man visiting every single child in the world in one night, pulled by flying reindeer is totally impossible and highly implausable.





and what angers me more than anything to do with the Jolly Fat one is that when you announce to the line of Chilrden and parents excitedly watiing outside Santas Grotto in your local shopping centre to see a man dressed up, that Santa does not exist, and prove to them all with scientific proof that he never could.....why then do the parents attack me and the Children burst into tears?



THEY CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

BamBamPooh-Bah
1,810 posts
Location: London


Posted:
Darling I an feel the Chrstmas cheer coming from you smile

A kiss blown is a kiss wasted, the only kind of kiss is a kiss tasted.

I'm a woman. We don't say what we want, but we reserve the right to be pissed off if we don't get it. That's what makes us so fascinating and not just a LITTLE bit scary.


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
*makes comment about decking his balls*

smile

Im am most definatly full of the Christmas cheer, its just the whole lying to children, then telling them off for lying that insinuates me.

_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
I agree with you that is not a good idea to lie to children - I was crushed when I found out Santa was a horrible lie (yes, that was last year, I'm still suffering the scars).



But the kids enjoy it and while I agree with your points, political correctness can get a bit crazy.



You're right that commercialism is something appaling that has sucked the goodness out of Christmas, but that doesn't mean it doesn't appeal to some people and they should be allowed to enjoy it, if they wish.

Getting to the other side smile


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
UCOF im going to assume you dont have children........if im wrong say so........I have a 5 year old little girl, and while I can see you point on lieing to them, what this season does for children is magical. the build up of anticipation, the look on their face christmas morning, the lie is worth it my friend.........and rememberI posted how much I hate this holiday, but for the children this is one time of year that truly holds magic..........plus it lets them believe that there is more to this world than what they can see........expand the imagination...........perhapse i should tell my daughter to stop believing in unicorns and such? destroy her world at 5 so shes more ready for it in the future? i think not...........this holiday HAS become to comercial thats true, but it gives our children something to hold on to.............ok ill get of my soap box now

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UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
No.



Stay up there.



smile







You have children?

eek Do they know this?



And there was me and many, many others thinking you were a bored 14 year old. wink



And I agree with everything you said,



I just dont see why we have to repeatedly lie to children about something that is not essential. Christmas morning is always a magic one...



But how does Santa actually make any of it happen seeing as he doenst actually exist?



How can something that doesnt exist, physically have any effect on this?

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
ubblol im 24 bro.........

its not so much "santa" but the idea, and the spirit that creates the afore mentioned magic........remember (acording to christianity) there was a St. Nick at one point.......

as for the sencond question, compare it to religion, no one knows for sure what happens after death, but when we pray, meditate, or what have you, we FEEL better.......

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


ado-pGOLD Member
Pirate Ninja
3,882 posts
Location: Galway/Ireland


Posted:
I reckon kids that believe in santa are getting a lot less exposed to commercelism than older kids who want their parents to buy them this and that.

If i could still have the magic i would and i dont think it damaged me or my morals in any way when i found out the truth.

Kids that believe in santa also believe that all the other kids in the world are sharing in the same thing. Thats nice I think

Love is the law.


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
"remember (acording to christianity) there was a St. Nick at one point"

Until you can quote it, im going to say "Bo11ocks"

Be oh one one oh sea kay ess.

smile

I would also like to show my suport for Ado's last comment.

*raises foot*

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
I'll find a quote in the bible to prove it (my family is cuban catholic I'm sure they have it memorized) wink
besides back in biblical times, there was a Saint for just about EVERYTHING...........

Ado-p well said.........

UCOF, understandable that you dont believe in santa, as you have to be at least 16 years old wink, but why such animosity towards it? children now a days have so many negative immages thrown at them from the media, games, school.....why not just let them believe that at least once a year, something special happens..............I stoped believing in santa, but i NEVER stopped believing in the spirit, and thats what I hope my daughter holds on to as well

as I get older (physicaly not mentaly) the world just seems to get worse. all holidays have become so comercial, that shoping is now the reason for the season, and THATS what I hate about it, but that look on my daughters face x-mas morning, nothing in this universe can compare, and for that one moment, everything is right in the world............thats what the "myth" of Santa is for, that one moment of true, absolute joy.......

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
No no no no no.... its not the hole Santa thingy I object to,.... im all in favour of it in fact..

Its simply the lying tothe children that I cant stand.

and then the blackmail when the parents say "If you dont behave, santa wont bring you any toys".

smile

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
I dont black-mail, I hated it when my parents played that "be good or I'll call santa" crap..............as for the lie, well it IS wrong to lie period, so it's hard to justify this world wide lie, but it's something we do, and I think it's the only lie that brings joy (other than the "baby I love you" thing ubblol

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


nativeSILVER Member
sleeping with angels
508 posts
Location: anaheim CA usa


Posted:
i was never told there was a santa and when other children told me about it my family quickly told me it was a lie and there was no such thing as santa.

SLEEP WITH ANGELS muckieha


grasshoppahBRONZE Member
HoP is teh suxor.
425 posts
Location: Tampa, Florida, USA


Posted:
I think santa is a ROBOT!

an evil alien robot.

Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right.


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
WOW thats a suprise hoppah, I never would have thought YOU think someone is a robot (sarcasm intended) and the only thing I'm saying to you on this matter wink

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


flidBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,136 posts
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom


Posted:
Santa doesn't exist? You should have been in london the other week!

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
why what happened in London? (i have a feeling this is a set up but still)

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
offtopic

smile

MiGGOLD Member
Self-Flagellation Expert
3,414 posts
Location: Bogged at CG, Australia


Posted:
Written by: ucof

Why can Children not see that the entire concept of one man visiting every single child in the world in one night, pulled by flying reindeer is totally impossible and highly implausable.




I saw a thing on this once, how even if he were to exist, he'd have to travel at a speed that would cause all of the reindeer to catch on fire due to atmospheric friction, and that the average wieght and/or size of presents would cause the sleigh to be approximately the size of texas.

"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
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stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
580 posts
Location: ||...lost...||


Posted:
but its MAGIC!

santa can do anything he wants.. if his reindeer catch fire, hell just extinguish it.. he can compress texas into his magic bag of goodies!

the thing that i find mindboggling is how does he know whos been good and bad.. does he really have a list of millions of children?

SkulduggeryGOLD Member
Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
What do you mean Santa isn't real? *bottom lip quivers* He is...... I know he is *tear rolls down face*..... I think he is.... He just hides from non believers...... *sniffs and wipes eyes with the back of a hand* ..... He is real....isn't he?

Feed me Chocolate!!! Feed me NOW!


PrometheusDiamond In The Rough
459 posts
Location: Richmond, Virginia


Posted:
Of course Santa's real...those Muggles know nothing!

Dance like it hurts; Love like you need money; Work like someone is watching.

Never criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you DO criticize them, you are a mile away, and you have their shoes.


NOnactivist for HoPper liberation.
1,643 posts
Location: ffidrac


Posted:
why shouldn't santa be real?? who's to say what real is?? if he exists in imagination, he exists!! have none of you ever read the history of Discworld?! umm (this is my version of conclusive proof by the way - the science of discworld...)

there was a programme on the other night about st. nick. he threw bags of money through people's windows - random acts of kindness - apparently, so that's where the whole thing came from. but they reconstructed him and he don't look very fat or jolly... he was also turkish.... must have moved to lapland to avoid the crowds and got a bit chilly....

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if it makes no sense that's because it's NOn-sense.


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
I saw that sunday morning program too.

smile

Mint SauceBRONZE Member
veteran
1,453 posts
Location: Lancs England


Posted:
mad mad What’s wrong with Christmas mad mad



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UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
ubblol

I like that animation very very much.

Thank you!

polytheneveteran
1,359 posts
Location: London/ Surrey


Posted:
Eheheh.. all hail lord and master Foamy biggrin

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The pessimist fears this is true.

Always make time to play in the snow.


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