quote:and
Originally posted by onewheeldave:
Life without a God is not meaningless, meaning and purpose can be found, for example, within oneself, and through acts of true compassion.
The miracle of us existing as conscious beings is in no way diminished if it is the case that we were not created by a God.
quote:
Originally posted by Raymund Phule:
This I personally disagree with.
However Yes you can find peace within yourself, but it wont be complete. What if there was more, what if you could be more peaceful? What if the only way to do that is via the Grace of God? Would you want it?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
quote:ray, do they know that you're only just getting warmed up?
Originally posted by Raymund Phule:
Wow CB some pretty harsh words there, I really do feel sorry for you. Your life must be really bad right now. Perhaps you should seek some sort of help.
You really dont know what your talking about, so I wont hold that against you.
"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
quote:Not that I'm picking on Ray, nor do I think he's interested in converting us into so many sheep, but, if you read between the lines, this is a common approach. The faith is not expressed as a belief, so much as it is an unaccepted reality. Just 500 years ago, they might say "I know the Earth to be flat. You can believe it's round if you want, and that's cool, but I know the truth. See how the perspective plays into it?
Umm... I am just telling the truth. If you feel that is me going out of my way to convert you... well thats your problem. Though personally if I was trying to convert you I would be doing it through someone else. Find a place where I have told someone to go to chruch?
Dance like it hurts; Love like you need money; Work like someone is watching.
Never criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you DO criticize them, you are a mile away, and you have their shoes.
quote:I don't blame God cuz I don't think he exists, but, if He does didn't He create our emotions and each living being on the earth? Evil is soemthing He created isn't it? Just like He created Belzebub. Hatred is an emotion, murder is fuelled by our emotions, suffering is caused by various folks emotions being inflicted on others and deseases are merely living beings (virus's, organisms etc) that don't work in our body but He created them to do what they do...didn't He?
Originally posted by ieuan:
Custom,
you can't blame 'God' because people decide to be evil. People have a choice to do what they want. otherwise we'd all just be robots and what fun would life be then? Sorry if I upset you.
quote:No my life is pretty rosey at the moment, although thanks for your concern. Help is certainly not needed, especially in spritual matters. Please have 'faith' in this.
Originally posted by Raymund Phule:
Wow CB some pretty harsh words there, I really do feel sorry for you. Your life must be really bad right now. Perhaps you should seek some sort of help
Let's relight this forum
quote:how true.....
Originally posted by frostypaw:
I think we can see how much peace religion brings in this thread.
People putting each other down, saying others need help - that their life must be crap - telling them they need to shut up, patronising, damning and inconsideracy all around...
Every attempt to discuss beliefs here gets swamped with us being told all our beliefs are idiotic, wrong and that we're imbeciles.
Thanks to ieuan btw, as an example of christian who is only expressing his beliefs - not telling us we're pricks for not sharing them.
Let's relight this forum
Gather your harps from the willow trees, dust off the ancient strings. Call the bards and prophets, let them sing healing and freedom. Let light and love flow from the strings, colors of revelation.
quote:Well do fire snakes count? I'm making a pair of extra long ones (7 meters of braided kevlar rope) that ought to be somewhere near the biggest wick. Spinning flaming volley-balls? Cool... :imagines the ammount of fuel: you'd need a really big bucket though
I want to know what the record is for the biggest wick that has been spun. Hmmmmmmmmm . . .I wonder if I could spin flaming volley balls. . . . .
there is no better way to say I love you than with the gift of a spatula!
Gather your harps from the willow trees, dust off the ancient strings. Call the bards and prophets, let them sing healing and freedom. Let light and love flow from the strings, colors of revelation.
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
there is no better way to say I love you than with the gift of a spatula!
quote:Cheers for your consise reply Ray.
Originally posted by Raymund Phule:
Onewheeldave... good question, and very hard to answer. True peace, (this is my definition and is probably similer to that of every other Christian), is knowing that no matter what happens in life, you have a place prepared for you that is in a place of eternal joy. Void of pain and sorrow, in the presence of God.
Now to answer your question, you can not obtain this without the Grace of God. How do you obtain the Grace of God? Through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, repenting of your sins and though baptisim.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
I do poi nearly every day. But it's not like I'm addicted or anything. I mean, sure, I am always conscious of exactly where my poi are at all times, but I'm not obsessed. um.. Anyone have the number for Poi-ers Anon?
I do poi nearly every day. But it's not like I'm addicted or anything. I mean, sure, I am always conscious of exactly where my poi are at all times, but I'm not obsessed. um.. Anyone have the number for Poi-ers Anon?
Gather your harps from the willow trees, dust off the ancient strings. Call the bards and prophets, let them sing healing and freedom. Let light and love flow from the strings, colors of revelation.
quote:And to quote various folks from various ages of the world....RIGHT ON MR HANDS!
Originally posted by Mr Hands:
Hold on there boys...
I read the bible with as open a mind as I could and personally I don't place much stock in white, male, power propoganda from the middle ages....why can't we put out faith in each other but be mindful of our own spiritual beliefs and appreciate each others?
AND
I don't need a religion to tell me to respect my neighbour, or not to kill anyone, or not to steal, I believe these already, I feel the desire for the kind of direction any religion can give me. Maybe I'm a litle sad that way, or maybe I'm a little redeemed... Your call...
Let's relight this forum
JUGGLEwithyourmind!
some will understand. -buddah
JUGGLEwithyourmind!
I honour you as an aspect of myself..
You are never to old to storm a bouncey castle..
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
some will understand. -buddah