quote:I get the impression that you want the discussion to be based on the New testament as it exists today?
Originally posted by Itsgottab:
it seems you and want to express your own veiws about the bible.....
....So if you don't want to join the conversation from this perspective it would be much better if you did stay out of this conversation and thank you for doing so.
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quote:So when David killed Goliath, he was breaking the Ten Commandments? Or how about when God brought down the walls of Jerrico, or what about Giddion, chosen to battle the Amerytes. Chosen by an Angel sent from God, not only that he was the weakest member of his family but was also from the weakest tribe of the Isrialites. Was he going against Gods Commandments when he led his men down into the Ameryte camp and killed all of them? No, sorry bud, there is a difference between murder and killing.
Ooooo, we don't like that bit, so lets toss it out. OR, this "thou shalt not kill or was it thou shalt not murder" confusion. Clearly, what was meant was "not to take the life of another human being".
quote:So you are saying that the almighty God, who created the whole universe, is not powerfull enought to do it in 7 days?
It also amazes me that people can quibble about the fine distinction b/t killing and murder, yet rigidly insist that the world was created in 7-calender days, which is clearly wasn't, or that life does not evolve, which it clearly does.
quote:Well... I for one think that things are explained in a way that the simple brains of man can understand. How do you explain God, to begin with, the word god can be asexual. Some add -ess when specifically talking about a female god, however you can use god as both male and female, kinda like Sam. However look at the times, women (though they do play a major role in the Bible) were not the controling factor in the not only religious but political world.
The question I would like to ask of knowledgeable biblical scholars is WHY is there no female deity in these Christian religions? And I don't mean Mary, who is obviously a saint, but not a deity ??? Was the female deity written out of the bible? Because for me, this is a missing link in this whole religious thingy.
quote:I am sure that if God wants to look a like a man, God can, and visa versa for looking like a woman. I am sure that if one has the power to create the world then they have the power to embody anything they wish. Even a giraff.
In my opinion there is no female deity.
In the same way as there is no male deity.
Deity is not something that can possess gender.
Gender is determined by certain characteristics, such as the possession of male genitalia; I think it's safe to say that God doesn't have those
quote:Well, the fact that women have one more rib than men, I would wager that God took a rib, but in the infanite power of God, he could have taken anything froma hair to a whole side, or even just made eve from thin air.
Stone: Actually I believe God is genderless. And "Adam" kind of resembles the Hindu god Shiva (Half male, half female split down the middle), as the Hebrew word which is translated as "rib" actually was "side", thus you get a picture of Adam being split in half, not just having a rib taken. Interesting.
Also interesting is that "God" is not used until the second chapter or something like that. The original Hebrew actually uses "In the beginning the gods..." and "gods" is used up until the next section, so it appears that the original translation is fudged right from the first five words... So the "literal translation" idea doesn't exactly hold... Not to mention that Hebrew has a large amount of hidden meaning and numerology behind it as well, and that every word and letter has its own meaning and interpetation. The literal words are not always the main meaing
quote:Actually there is a differance between the OT and NT. You are quite right there. However, the OT had alot of history in it, alot of it proven through *gasps* science! Though if you were to sum up the meaning of the OT in one scentance, I would say it was more like "The Old Testiment, was written so that we may know where we came from and so that we may know why we should worship the God of the Isrialites, the One true God."
Do you know the difference between the Old and New Testament?
They're quite different
One's all about worshipping god, the other is all about other people and how to live your life well. Quite different focus, but it does vary from translation to translation how "WORSHIP GOD OR DIE" the NT is... which is where i wish i was still at my parents with access to my books
i8beefy mentioned the blind men and the elephant concept, that's pretty much what I think too - hell if people can believe the world is flat for how many hundreds of thousands of years, and that was a matter of faith as noone could travel around it then, then who's to say our whole concept of god isn't as crazed?
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quote:So your saying that a blind man can will himself to see? Even if he doesnt know what sight is?
I'm not calling anyone a liar, however they were human, and humans make mistakes, or have misconceptions. No one is at fault, but sometimes its easier to explain an unexpected event in miraculous terms than applying a full on rational check... and even then, once a "miraculous" explanation has circulated to a point, it can often become the excepted explanation. Example: I am told that I am dying, but if my faith is strong enough, this man will heal me. If I believe hard enough, certain healing processes gain much more influence and force in the body and I get better, I call it a miracle. Double blind studies in psychology experiments have proven that "mind over matter" really does work in many healing cases, and just imagine the power of the mind when told that the very hand of God will be performing the operation. Thats some powerfull psychological influence.
quote:No I said the Bible, not the Church, the Church like any large body of people has been corrupt. I mean you can look at the Bible to see the corruputness of the Church, explain this one...
You said earlier something about "God not letting [The Bible/Church] be corrupted", but some of those acts kind point the other way...
quote:Sorry mate, Jesus knew who he was from the get go. There was no miraculous turn around, he did not achieve this miraculous union with God. You can not find one passage in the Bible that even remotly supports your claim. What you said in the first sentace of that paragrpah is completly off.
As for the Jesus quote "I am the Way, the Truth the light..." etc. This clearly shows the division between "Jesus" and "Jesus Christ", being two different people. One the man who went to the desert, and other the Godhead that returned upon realizing his "Truth". In this way, Christ is speaking of himself as the Ultimate, not in a singular "worship this personage" sense (in my opinion). He is the Way, and the Truth, not the Man. He provided a way to live your life, so that you might experience the union with God which he achieved.
quote:Umm... it isnt me that is saying that Jesus only came for the sinners, He said it!
To say that he came only for sinners is a little extreme I would say too. He came to show the Way, to be the Light in the dark tunnel that ALL men are stumbling through. He was to be to man kind as the duck in front of a flying V is to them, a leader, showing the Way out of the chaos. Even the Duck who knows the way flies behind the leader, and even that duck can become lost.
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quote:Well... During the time frame that the Bible was written, men and women were murderd, wars were fought, women were rapped, money stolen, governments sought conquest, slaves taken, homes burnt, animals slaughterd, disease killed without predjudice... etc etc etc...
also believe that the Bible is too old to even try and apply now
quote:I dont claim to know everything, but this I have know knowlege of? Where did you read this in the Bible?
and the dude outside the church who said "Now I can die for my lord has come
quote:So in all the Psalms of David, he was speaking blastfomy? I think not.
(As it was considered blasphemous to speak or write the lords name in full AT ALL prior to Christ
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quote:Easy, if God exists then God himself did.
What made you so great that you can shake your finger at God and say that He is wrong?
quote:Obviusly you dont know what a virgin is, that means that a person has never had sex. So if she never had sex, yet bore a child, is she not a virgin? Is this not a miricle?
The miraculous birth... it was not. Since proven that those phrases meant not married, not not ever slept with. jesus was a bastard son yes.
quote:Actually I do believe that God appeared to Peter in a dream and lowerd an assortment of "unclean" animals and told him to kill and eat. Peter refused and this happend three times. When God asked him why, he said it was because the animals were unclean. God replied by saying that if He makes an animal clean is it not clean.
The bible still relevant today - do you eat pork?
quote:You cant have a conversation without bringing up what country I am from can you? Ohh yes I am sure it is so americanised, I am supprised Jesus is still in the Bible instead of GWB!
Don't make me laugh saying it's all still up to date - if it was then you wouldn't be holding the nice americanised cleaned-up version you have in your hands now, but the oldest text available
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quote:Umm you are both right and wrong, yes when Jesus was concived Mary was not married. Yet she was also still a virgin.
That's the whole problem... it said "had not been with man"... it was taken to mean she was a virgin but recent investigations have led people to believe it just meant she wasn't married.
quote:You are the one that brought up the point, so why dont you show me this recent investigation.
You go hunt down the research... it's your faith that's being challenged not mine the point is that this is a translated and altered text which changes all the time - to claim it is infallible when it itself has been corrected many times is an obvious falsitude.
quote:Umm granted the a micoscope didnt exist back then, I am sure that they did not know what a microscopic organisim is. Yet their religion still said, dont eat it.
no LOL but nice try.
the point is that in their day eating Pork, for example, was a VERY BAD THING due to the microscopic organisms and worms present in the meat which will infect human beings.
nowadays we know how to get rid of the little buggers so it's no longer an issue
but in THEIR day it was important health advice, given out via religion
nowadays we ignore it as we know better.
but if the bible is always and only right... maybe we should all give pork up??
do we trust peter's word over the old testament's word? This is Peter who was known for being a little er... whacky.
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i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
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What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
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quote:my own fears ????? im sorry i wasnt aware that i mentioned fearing anything at all. im not sure where that comes into it.
it is easy to find something written that will confirm your own fears
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
whats up with all the limitations?
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