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quote:Hi Cass,
Originally posted by Cassandra:
I think this is a very interesting question, but maybe it would be a good thing to keep this within the frame of the other discussion. There are allready so many threads about it ...
just my opinion
Much respect and Shine on
Cass
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quote:I spent over ten years being addicted to nicotine, the last two of which all pretence that I had any control or even liked the things was gone.
Originally posted by frostypaw:
quote:I think you're very wrong here
There are millions of smokers in the world who find it impossible to kick their habit, effectivley they have lost their ability to choose.
It's a matter of WILL - they've not lost their ability to choose - it's just that they're not bothered enough yet
for some that time when they are bothered enough will come too late
for some they'll only use not abuse and they won't harm themselves
you can't make that judgement for other people
it's not prodrug propaganda - well ok some is - but none of us would benefit from more being sold, we're just relating experiences and on the whole it's not problem causing
eg. i'm sure many of us like a drink or two, but i doubt there's many here who dont' know when to stop and are really damaging themselves
or did you find drugs that addictive that for you it has to be an all-or-nothing situation?
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quote:I'm sorry Raymond, but you are completely and utterly wrong if you use this rationale...
I know little about depression, but if a 400lbs obese guy can drop to less than what I weight, then anyone can do it.
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quote:I am worried that you might be a little disolusioned RoDuS. Or maybe its just that we both work differently.
Originally posted by RoDuS:
Well once you are on drugs you dont have any choices (imo).
I use smoke a little bit of weed i found the only way i could stop smoking it was i took up smoking tobaco and drinking a great deal off alcohol.
They are prolly just as bad for me if not worse but least they wont end me up in jail. but they will be alot easyer to give up then pot.
I coudn't imagine being addicted to a much harder drug but i am glad i have learnt that its not worth it so when the time comes i can say NO!
quote:You're either a psychiatrist or have spoken to some good ones. My dad is a psychiatrist and so I pick up some things... and what you said is perfectly accurate with what I've been tought. I'm not going to say anything save that I agree.
Originally posted by Charles:
Raymund, in some cases you are right...
However, there are a number of cases, some eating disorders included, which are caused by physical and chemical problems within the the body.
Usually, the disorder begins because of habit, but after a certain point, as in clinical depression, no amount of willpower will be able to overcome it, particularly with issues such as gambling, eating disorders and alcoholism.
Telling a clinically depressed person to "get over it" is as much use as yelling at an amputee to "get up and walk".
This is very different to other disorders, because part of the physical problem is the organ that makes the decision to change their life...A real catch-22!
Some people may be able to drag themselves out of these situations before a point of no-return is reached, but these people cannot be used to say that there is no point of no return for others.
Unfortunately, I still believe they are more accountable for their actions than anyone else, which is a hard and difficult concept for me to explain...but no one except a parent is truly responsible for anyone else's life...
We are all empty in the middle...
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quote:Do your comments apply to go-pill (dex amphetamine) as supplied to the US Air Force or are they only for civilians ?????
Drugs are addictive, there is no nonaddictive drug out there. Most people dont realise that they are addicted, they just think that they enjoy the high. Weather or not it is a chemical addiction doesnt matter. There is also social addiction and a physical addiction
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quote:I see your point Dom.
Originally posted by Dõm:
I believe that I'm a responsible, educated, well balanced and self-assured enough individual to make my own choices as to what I do. I also, you may think arrogantly, believe that many people in this world aren't in this position. And I ask myself why should I be limited because of their failings?
Why is it that everthing which is fun is illegal, immoral, or fattening?
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quote:I never said that everyone who is creative and takes drugs is depressed.
Originally posted by Josh:
I love how its never the pro choice ppl who make totalitarian arguments...
OneWheel, the argument you make irt to the link between creativity and drug taking only works for you. Trying to generalise everyone who is creative into being depressed / outcast (and therefore drug escapists) is a little over the top. Sure there is a correlation between depression and escapist drug (ab)use. Some people who take drugs are creative. However, this doesnt mean everyone who is creative and takes drugs is depressed.
quote:I actually don't agree with this, I know a lot of people who are not particularly creative and who take loads of drugs.
Originally posted by Josh:
The only thing we seem to agree on then, is that creative people are more likely to take drugs - and until you provide a link to a decent study supporting your hypothesis that creative people are outcasts / depressives / drug escapists I dont think your anecdotal evidence is enough to demonstrate the relationship you say exists.
We are left with the correlation that creative people are (for whatever reasons) more likely to take drugs.
Josh
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
quote:I have never felt so opposite in my life. We are all born with free will. The ability to choose. Addicts can choose to quit without that ability there is little hope. You can support your friends and family in "kicking the habit" but ultimately they are the one to make the decision to change their life. They are the ones to choose addiction or non-addiction.
There are millions of smokers in the world who find it impossible to kick their habit, effectivley they have lost their ability to choose.
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quote:Of course an addict can 'choose' to quit. Every day many smokers choose to quit smoking; however the majority will fail.
Originally posted by Tika:
quote:I have never felt so opposite in my life. We are all born with free will. The ability to choose. Addicts can choose to quit without that ability there is little hope. You can support your friends and family in "kicking the habit" but ultimately they are the one to make the decision to change their life. They are the ones to choose addiction or non-addiction.
There are millions of smokers in the world who find it impossible to kick their habit, effectivley they have lost their ability to choose.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!