• All Purchases made this month instantly go into the draw to win a USD $ 200.00 credit to your HoP account.
 
Page: 1234
onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:Drug Free Spinning.

Over the years I've noticed that a lot of people associate spinning with drugs and clubbing; recently I've had a few discussions with spinners who, like me, don't take drugs or go to clubs.

They have said pretty much the same thing, that a lot of the spinners they encounter seem to assume that they're into drugs and clubs.

I wanted to post this thread to open up some kind of discussion on 'clean spinning', primarily so spinners who are drug free, or thinking of becoming so can be made aware that there are plenty of us out there who don't feel the need to take drugs.

When you're young or a student, as many who are attracted to poi are, it's very easy to find yourself in an environment where drug taking is seen as the norm and where to be clean is associated with being dull, unadventurous, fearful or boring.

Drugs are, by their nature, far easier to get into than to get out of, not just because of the addictive nature of the substances, but also because of the social groups that become based around the aquisition and consumption of the substances.

From experience I know that drug taking is like a maze with very few exits; even when you know that you no longer want to be inside it, it can take years of searching until you find your way out.

Here I'm talking about all drugs, including tobacco.

I wanted to raise this subject in the hope that those of us who are ex/non drug takers can post their opinions and offer hope to others who are in a dilema.

I have tried to not put down drug users in this post because I don't want it to turn into a pro/cons of drug taking thread; Malcolm has made it quite clear that he doesn't want illegal drugs promoted on this site.

So, if you are of the opinion that drugs are good, please don't ruin this thread by posting pro drug arguments.

Similarly, if you despise drugs, please don't post opinions that are likely to incite pro druggists to respond.

However, if you are an ex drug taker who has, like me, discovered that a life without drugs is not only bearable, but infinitly richer than a life with them, or if you are someone who hates what you are putting into your body but feel that you can't escape; then feel free to post your experiences/advice.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

Delete Topic

Charles
Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland
Member Since: 27th Jun 2001
Total posts: 3989
Posted:So I may be getting discrinated against because other poeple feel I am discriminating against them because I don't take drugs to enjoy my spinning?

This is great debateing!

One thing that is very hard not to do, when one feels they are being discriminated against, is to pidgeon-hole/stereotype those who appear to be doing the discriminating.

In fact, the stupid thing is, I'm doing it myself now, to the nth degree Isn't human nature hilarious!

But, as direct result of discrination myself, for I feel, whether founded or not, that I am included in this group that has been suggested that ...

quote: it seems like there's a fair bit of discrimination (at least in terms of attitude if not action) the other way as well...
I've scanned through most of the thread, and hopefully without too much 'selfrighteousness', cannot find any comment as specific as the one i have quoted above...

Spiralx, I am at a bit of a loss where your statement came from, though i may also be clouding my own judgement in this case.

Could you elaborate further please?


HoP Posting Guidelines
* Is it the Truth?
* Is it Fair to all concerned?
* Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
* Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Delete

spiralx
spiralx

veteran
Location: London, UK
Member Since: 1st May 2002
Total posts: 1376
Posted:It's not anything particularly strong, but there are posts here talking about polluting your body, how spinning straight is "more natural" and so on... so I was wondering whether this was a reverse discrimination.

But I wasn't sure, hence me asking the question rather than just charging in al guns blazing


"Moo," said the happy cow.

Delete

RoDuS
member
Location: Australia qld
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 50
Posted:well i had my first sober spin today and i ended up burning my hair i still enjoyed it the same as i would if i was drunk i never do it after to many drinks other wise i would spend more time on my arse then spinning.

i dont think it really matters if you do it drunk, high or sober as long as you know your limits and you have fun while doing it... i personlly couldn't do it stoned because i would end up on fire and running around crazy wondering why its so hot .

but it seems it would be alot more safer to spin while sober but i can see how some people just may not find it fun while sober as i can relate to doing alot of other things in life...


*note this is just my view im not trying to say "this is how it is!"



Delete

kaza
newbie
Location: England
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 29
Posted:I've just read through this whole thread and I can sa yit doesn't look like there is much real discrimnation coming off any of you. Maybe some of you don't quite understand why some of us do Class A (harder) drugs, and maybe some of even wish we (or at least your own friends) woukdn't.

Personable I have dabbled in a fair varity of drugs, abd am glad of it. But I have also bee to two day parties with nothing (excep the occasional offered spliff) and been asked what I am on, to which I have replyed nothing. But I can also remember being on the other side and asking somebody what they have done and being surprised when they said nothing.

As to spinning on drugs. Well that depends on a lot of thing. I think being drunk is very bad because you loose your co-ordination, but a single beer can help you relax. Hallucinogenics can make you see ways of doing things you just wouldn't work ou otherwise, but can either be very scary or very cool with fire. Who knows whats in a pill to comment nowadays?! Ketamine or the like is just a big NO NO, IMHO anyway.

I remember I was at a party some time last year, spinning away and not really managing to get into it. A friend of mine comes up and gives me a baby lil snort of MDMA off his thumb and I did a couple of the best spins I had done in a long time, and everybody around said so too so it's not just cos the way I felt.

I hope this isn't too pro-druggist for a "everybody, it's fine to be straight" thread.

PLUR, KaZa


Delete

kaza
newbie
Location: England
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 29
Posted:As to people asking you in clubs, out if you know where to score. I personally don't think it's as much to do with stereotyping spinners than the fact that a performer is more easy to approach than you average Joe. They also appear to be less likely the Old Bill. Plus there is the chance they are there cos they know the organiser, most of which do something they shouldn't

Delete

onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by frostypaw:
It does sound all rather evangelical

I wouldn't say that it's evangelical as that is a religious term. However if you're refering to a joyous spreading of news then maybe so, and it's no bad thing.

After all, people who take pills regularly are prone to get excited at the prospect of some new variation that they believe will give them an evenings pleasure at the cost of 15, a comedown of unpredictable character and the risk of a bad trip.

What we're talking about with this thread is something that is totally free, will last the rest of your life, has no bad side effects and produce better and longer lasting highs than any chemical; it should be no surprise if those who have experienced it are going to get enthusiastic.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

Delete

Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:I want to go on record as saying that FIRE AND MIND-ALTERING DRUGS DO NOT MIX WELL.

Spin your glow/beaming/tennis ball/sock/cannon ball poi while drunk/high/tripping/speeding/rolling/twisted/altered all you like.

But if you are using fire, you are not only responsible for your safety, but for the safety of those miles around. Every large fire in history started with a small fire. You AND your spotter(s) have a duty to the community at large and to responsible fire performers to use fire only while sober.

Wack yourself in the head with beamers all you like, but if anyone here burns down a neighborhood because they were spinning fire on any mind-altering drug, I will personally assemble a small army and we will find you and kick your butt.

Hugs and kisses!


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

Delete

Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:I dunno, there isnt much music written by stone cold sober tea totallers that I actually enjoy very much...and for that matter most writers...I think twirling is a bit like poetry, and not quite as much like tennis.

That said, Alcohol doesnt seem to help me, but some ppl can twirl very well while really drunk so I guess that rule doesnt quite apply either.

So yeah, I guess it all comes down to what works for you, as long as you dont hurt anyone else. Always have a fire safety nearby.

I think an innebriated experienced twirler is a hell of a lot safer than a stone cold sober newbie, but thats just my opinion.

Josh


--
Help! My personality got stuck in this signature machine and I cant get it out!

Delete

polythene
veteran
Location: London/ Surrey
Member Since: 15th May 2003
Total posts: 1359
Posted:This is why most people don't or shouldn't use fire when still newbies.

The optimist claims that we are living in the best of all possible worlds.
The pessimist fears this is true.

Always make time to play in the snow.

Delete

onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by Josh:
I dunno, there isnt much music written by stone cold sober tea totallers that I actually enjoy very much...and for that matter most writers...I think twirling is a bit like poetry, and not quite as much like tennis.

A lot of creative individuals take drugs and this can lead to the belief that drugs enhance creativity.

My take on this is that creative individuals are simply more likely to get into drugs (possible reasons: - they tend to be individualistic, feel outcast, prone to depression etc).

So drugs aren't the source of their creativity, rather, creativity is the source of their desire for drugs.

Just a theory, but as it accounts for the facts just as well as the alternative I think it's important to present it as I myself, being a creative individual, fell for the belief that drugs enhanced creativity.

Thankfully, 3 years of drug free existence has shown me that creativity comes from within, and, the fact that I am far more clear headed and confident in myself ensures that my creative impulses actually tend to result in an outcome rahter than remaining empty dreams as they used to.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

Delete

spiralx
spiralx

veteran
Location: London, UK
Member Since: 1st May 2002
Total posts: 1376
Posted:quote:Originally posted by onewheeldave:
After all, people who take pills regularly are prone to get excited at the prospect of some new variation that they believe will give them an evenings pleasure at the cost of 15, a comedown of unpredictable character and the risk of a bad trip.Bit of a generalisation isn't it?


"Moo," said the happy cow.

Delete

Charles
Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland
Member Since: 27th Jun 2001
Total posts: 3989
Posted:It may be, but is it founded in truth?

Note the "take pills regularly"...this is not referring to MaryJane, it is referred to something made soley with chemicals by some unknown person (usually anyway).

In my opnion, to take recreational drugs in pill form is to risk exactly what OneWheel Dave has said.

You don't know what's in it, you don't know what's been cut with it, just because the last ten were 'great' (and I use that term very loosely!!!), doesn't mean this one hasn't got boric acid in it.

I am not speaking from my personal experience wiht people who use pills reguarly, but merely from a reasonable knowledge of the manufacturing process and how that process may be deliberately or accidentelly varied or modified giving quite scarey results.

In my opnion, it's just like fire, though even more so, as there is no, pill-spotter watching youmlike a hawk to see if anything is going wrong.

Please forget the perosnal defense that may come up form reading this, read it again a few times, and try to see form a pure manufactoring point of view...

Suddenly pills become much more scarey, IMHO...


HoP Posting Guidelines
* Is it the Truth?
* Is it Fair to all concerned?
* Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
* Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Delete

kaza
newbie
Location: England
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 29
Posted:I have been taking mind-bending substances for a fair few years now, although I take breaks (normally without even planning to) and I read your statement just as you wanted first time round.

IMO anybody who didn't read it thus should not be taking drugs, because they obviously havn't educated themselves on the subject before hand.

ALWAYS make sure you know as much as possible about what you are getting into beforehand. This doesn't only apply to rugz. It's like learning to spin before you set your chosen toy on fire. Knowing what sort of job it is before going to an interview. Did anybody apply for university without finding out about the courses and cities where their chosen course was available.

Educate yourselves, you can't expect anybody else to do it. But most will be willing to converse or answer any questions if they can help.


Delete

Lost_kause
member
Location: England (N.E. lincs)
Member Since: 15th Aug 2003
Total posts: 14
Posted:drugs aint good and they aint bad their neither, or what some say a pass time, a hoby or social things to others like many hav said, its diffrent for diffrent ppl but we shouldnt look down or otherwise at ppl coz we do or dont do something, i really means everyone knows their own favourite taste of gravy dont we?

[_ [] 5 t K @ (_) s E

Delete

squarefish
(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
Location: the state of flux
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2002
Total posts: 403
Posted:Lots of views here, so heres my take on the whole sober/not issue. (and a little safety story)

During the weekend at the start of august I was away camping on island off the west of Ireland (very nice)and decided to do a little fire spinning in the huge open area at the center of the site. Looked great + lots of applause from the instant crowd that appeared.

I don't do hard drugs and only have the occasional toke from a buddy so the only poison I'd normally have is alcohol, and I don't have a terribly high tolerance even for that.

Had a couple of beers and kept on spinning, but the thing about alcohol see, is that it messes with your sense of judgement.

Didnt cause any damage (pure luck) and it was only because one of my best friends borrowed my chains to have a go that there wasn't a serious incident. Thanks Helen

......one of the links hoding on the fire heads had begun to open out.....

I was lucky, thats all, just pure luck that all I had to deal with the next day was a nuclear powered hangover and the hard looks from my pal who said, quite rightly, that I was AN IDIOT AND THAT I SHOULD KNOW BETTER!!!

Fire spinning from now on will be a non poison event, at least for me.


Delete

JinX
mushroom collector
Location: JHB, South Africa
Member Since: 24th Feb 2003
Total posts: 208
Posted:just a comment,

my first try in poi was fire, did the figure 8. wicked got me hooked but also got me burnt pretty bad.

i dont do drugs, when i spin losses the real feeling of pure adrenaline


JinX : If it doesnt kill you it makes you stronger

The spin cycle on the washing machine does not make earth worms dizzy.
It will however make cats dizzy and cats throw up twice their bodyweight when dizzy.

Delete

Flynt
Flynt

Intrepid Penguin

Member Since: 12th May 2002
Total posts: 5635
Posted:

I love that this thread, started so that people who have had NonDrug related amazing spinning experiences, could share them in a positive enviroment, has YET AGAIN become a "well, y'know, its all about my personal choice and I choose to take drugs and thats just fine" statement.

good for you.

I'm not trying to be evangalistic or preach or say that taking drugs is wrong.

I am trying to say that, I dont take drugs and I have an amazing time. Thats all and I think that was the point of this thread. We saw WAY too many "I had a trippy spinning experience" threads, and I just think its lovely we have one that is about spinning 'influence' free.



Currently on the right side up of the world.

Delete

onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by Flynt:


I love that this thread, started so that people who have had NonDrug related amazing spinning experiences, could share them in a positive enviroment, has YET AGAIN become a "well, y'know, its all about my personal choice and I choose to take drugs and thats just fine" statement.

good for you.

I'm not trying to be evangalistic or preach or say that taking drugs is wrong.

I am trying to say that, I dont take drugs and I have an amazing time. Thats all and I think that was the point of this thread. We saw WAY too many "I had a trippy spinning experience" threads, and I just think its lovely we have one that is about spinning 'influence' free.

It was intended as a discussion place for spinners to share their drug free experiences and also to make it apparent that there are plenty of spinners who don't use drugs.

Overall I think there's been a fair amount of respect shown in that it's not turned into a pro/con drug war zone.

I think we should stress that it's not soley about drug free spinning experiences but about drug free like in general i.e. that some of us feel our whole lives have benefited a lot by stopping using drugs or by never taking them in the first place.

I know what you're saying about the 'trippy spinning experience' threads though, my perception of this forum was that there was a lot of that and that it probably didn't accurately represent the true state of affairs, as those of us who have a great time without drugs are unlikely to post about it.

I do feel that there is an imbalance there in that someone who takes something and has a wicked time will tend to attribute it to the substance and then communicate that experience either through speech or posting.

I see so much pro drug stuff in our society with drinks promotions, pro cannabis stuff and the general attitude that being straight is uncool and boring; so much pressure on the next generation to take substances which are not necessary for a happy life.

In my opinion, there's no point in getting into arguments or putting down drugs, what would be good is for those of us who have great experiences without drugs to be as vocal as many pro druggists are.

I have felt the need to show a lot of restraint since starting this thread, there are things I wanted to say about drugs that I haven't because they could have provoked the pro/con drugs arguments.

An example is the matter of 'personal choice' which has been brought up a few times. Given the addictive/habit forming nature of many drugs I think there are some interesting issues to explore about choice in relation to drug taking.

It now occurs to me that such things can easily be posted as new threads which will serve the purpose of keeping this one as a more supportive and non argumentative thread.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

Delete

Kyle McLean
Kyle McLean

Living it up
Location: Brisbane/Berlin
Member Since: 3rd Jul 2003
Total posts: 364
Posted:As many folks seem to be starting their replies with their drug 'status' I'll do the same. I don't drink at all, and I don't do drugs- once in a blue moon I'll have a hit of oral caffeine (he he that makes it sound a bit more scary eh?) or pick and eat a specimen 'o' fungus. Each to their own and all that. Here in Brisyland we are lucky enough to have some really cool events and meets that have no emphasis on drugs whatsoever.

As a young, dreadlocked, fire performer I am very used to folks coming up and wanting to score drugs. I find it funny and am often learning new slang words ("hey man do u have any, like, Slag?").

I just wanted to say that I think it's worth taking a step back and looking at drugs in a larger context; ie not just in the twirling sub culture and indeed not just in our own culture but more of a global picture. I'm just wondering if when people say things about drugs being bad full stop, if they have any awareness of the role that they play in many cultures other then our own. I think the fact that a very high percentage of the drug use around us might be seen as unhealthy or unbalanced can lead to a bit of a skewed view. I personally believe that in some parts of the world drugs have had and still do have very constructive uses. However this is just my view and I would not feel comfortable to pass judgment on these (often very very old) traditions. Just my two cents worth... (ONO)
Love and Stuff,
Kyle


Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film

Delete

Kyle McLean
Kyle McLean

Living it up
Location: Brisbane/Berlin
Member Since: 3rd Jul 2003
Total posts: 364
Posted:Sorry if that was headed a bit OT...
Yep I have had some really great non-drugy twirling. For me it is also Meditation (no I don't think that's your butt doing the talking there KristalWave). I think I'd love it if their were more twirlers that would do it simply for the joy it creates. Some times it seems like egos get in the way a bit. I guess none of this is specific to twirling though. Playing music is my other main love and is filled with the same issues.
He he I get asked for drugs a lot doing that as well...


Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film

Delete

Flynt
Flynt

Intrepid Penguin

Member Since: 12th May 2002
Total posts: 5635
Posted:quote:Originally posted by onewheeldave:

I know what you're saying about the 'trippy spinning experience' threads though, my perception of this forum was that there was a lot of that and that it probably didn't accurately represent the true state of affairs, as those of us who have a great time without drugs are unlikely to post about it.
Indeed. Hence the reason I have never posted about this issue before, but feel quite comfortable posting here. Thanks for starting this thread onewheeldave!


Currently on the right side up of the world.

Delete

Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:*wondering who Josh is reading or listening to???*

There are so many amazing talents in the world, so much creation that goes on, that to generalize to the statements of only enjoying things created by those who imbibe is really just as limiting.

"Oh, he wasn't drunk so I don't want to read it" is really the attitude that I "heard" in that post. And what a sad thing that is.

I have sat around with people who thought they were being intellectual, creative, really incredibly artistic when under the influence and I laughed my arse off because they sounded really stupid and didn't even realize it.
Yes there have been the geniouses..Poe, Dylan, Thomas, etc... but they were also very creative when they were not under the influence and not everything they did was inspired by such.

I have also witnessed many, many spinners who would say "I am so much better when I am _____. I am not so careful or reserved and it just flows." What has happened *every time* is that they hit themselves more. They get caught up or tangled. The trip over their own feet. My how others were impressed by that creativity!

If creativity lies within the spirit, it is there whether or not you had water, coffee (addictive drug, btw), beer or something more. To do it under influence is not genius. It is the one who finds that creative spot within themselves and hones it sober...facing their demons (as such is the case with many who create under the influence) and learning to see from new perspectives without that alteration is where the true genius comes in. Those people have such a greater fount to draw from.

When it comes to my life and my personal existence I am quite the control freak, and so I choose not to partake. I have and did not enjoy it. I felt it rather left me out of senses and out of focus rather than sharpening my vision. For me what I do is my release, my meditation, my joy. I do not need any substance to let me know that.
There is of course a professional responsibility ethic here in the form of not endangering the audience, etc. that I whole heartedly believe it.

I have to say, however, that those people whom I have encountered did not automatically assume I partake. They ask or offer. (sometimes they ask if I carry, but when I say no they shrug and that is it). The spinning culture is an artistic fringe, and anything like that needs to be explained by mass society, because the understanding of why people do any sort of side show/circus type thing, most can not understand. Therefore an easy way to explain it, especially fire play, is that it is part of the neo-hippy drug culture. Also it is/was a very visual part to the rave movement and so became a real media hot point, which made it more widely associated as well. The partakers I have come across have *never* been disrespectful or pushy in their offerings/asking and have never shunned me because I do not. It has always been a very accepting environment which I have luckily been exposed to.
I just wanted to say that as well.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

Delete

frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:quote:I know what you're saying about the 'trippy spinning experience' threads thoughthe same feelings/sensations happen stone cold sober though - it's a state of mind deal not "some wierd drug thing". just that's a familiar term by which to describe it.

You have to draw the line between use and abuse - totalitarianism never did anyone any good. *shrug* too many of the messages on here border on that, and it's not the way for everyone

It's great that you're making a space for people who feel alienate by the druggy relations of this art, but don't go alienating anyone else by getting all superior.
quote:If creativity lies within the spirit, it is there whether or not you had water, coffee (addictive drug, btw), beer or something more.As you say - those that have it, have it Whatever.

Not only sober... whatever - it's not a hole to hide in for everyone, and this thread still sounds like that's the implication.

Feeling oddly defensive about this as person who doesn't Need drugs to spin in any way, but finds himself quite useless and tight-shouldered after a day's work until he's had a brief toke. Then I relax and let go, far different from getting trashed then spinning


I can SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Delete

onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by frostypaw:
quote:I know what you're saying about the 'trippy spinning experience' threads thoughthe same feelings/sensations happen stone cold sober though - it's a state of mind deal not "some wierd drug thing". just that's a familiar term by which to describe it...That illustrates one of the points I was concerned about- a state of mind which can and is achieved independently of drugs, yet it's referred to as a drug thing.
I think that if such a state of mind is produced by spinning then it's good to use language which reflects that, rather than speak in such a way that the credit goes to drugs.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

Delete

frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:I'm not sure anyone would take that as the credit going to drugs!

I certainly don't

Have a look at the artwork of Bridget Riley - it's trippy... it's credit doesn't go to drugs, it's just trippy

We've all had flu's etc, people know what it means, i'm not sure it's taken as any kind of "big up" for drugs by anyone issit?


I can SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Delete

Charles
Charles

Corporate Circus Arts Entertainer
Location: Auckland
Member Since: 27th Jun 2001
Total posts: 3989
Posted:Well, I for one, Frosty, ahve taken a number of those statements to mean that.

Just because you don't agree with what OneWheelDave is saying, doesn't mean that others can't take it the way he is taking it, as I do...



HoP Posting Guidelines
* Is it the Truth?
* Is it Fair to all concerned?
* Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
* Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Delete

frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:quote:Just because you don't agree with what OneWheelDave is saying, doesn't mean that others can't take it the way he is taking it, as I do...absolutely! it's more interesting to hear from both sides than just one

i can't tell ya how you should think, i'm just saying "looks different from here" and kinda strange


I can SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Delete

Magnus
member
Location: Bath, UK
Member Since: 5th Sep 2002
Total posts: 279
Posted:There is not a single state of mind that you can reach with drugs that you can't reach on your own.

Drugs are a cheat, and they come at a price.

That is all.


Magnus... pay it forward

Delete

onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:quote:Originally posted by frostypaw:
quote:I know what you're saying about the 'trippy spinning experience' threads thoughthe same feelings/sensations happen stone cold sober though - it's a state of mind deal not "some wierd drug thing". just that's a familiar term by which to describe it.

and
quote:

I'm not sure anyone would take that as the credit going to drugs!

I certainly don't

Have a look at the artwork of Bridget Riley - it's trippy... it's credit doesn't go to drugs, it's just trippy

We've all had flu's etc, people know what it means, i'm not sure it's taken as any kind of "big up" for drugs by anyone issit? I a little confused here and may have misunderstood what you were saying?

To me if someone refers to a spinning experience high as being due to 'some weird drug thing' then I would expect listeners to believe you are attributing the experience to drugs.

Regardless though, I have certainly encountered a lot of threads that do attribute spinning experiences to drugs (or that they've been enhanced by drugs).

When I was a newcomer to this forum my impression was that most of its members took a fair amount of drugs. I now see that many don't, and that the reason I formed the original assumption was that many drug takers were posting their opinions/experiences, whilst the straight spinners didn't.

I think we're all agreed that spinning in itself can produce some good states of mind and that it's important that outsiders understand that spinners are happy cos they spin rather than cos they take drugs.

Lastly, what does "flu's" mean?


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

Delete

frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:ack sounds like it has got a little confused yes
quote:To me if someone refers to a spinning experience high as being due to 'some weird drug thing' then I would expect listeners to believe you are attributing the experience to drugs.definately

but not everyone is doing drugs to excess so it doesn't always mean that. eg. the trippy thing - to me that just means visually/mentally confusing and hectic - poi certainly fits squarely in that category (especially with long flappy tails)

tis interesting though that you saw this as a fairly druggy community... i've not seen it as more than a bit of smoke around.

flu = influenza - the fever can also make things very trippy, no drugs required


I can SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Delete

Page: 1234