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quote:And therefore the bible supports incest.
Genesis Chapter 20
30: And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31: And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33: And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34: And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our Father.
35: And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36: Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
37: And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
38: And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
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quote:And the KJV
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; 19:5 and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men that came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 19:6 And Lot went out unto them to the door, and shut the door after him. 19:7 And he said, I pray you, my brethren, do not so wickedly. 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters that have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing, forasmuch as they are come under the shadow of my roof. 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and drew near to break the door. 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and brought Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
quote:and now the RSV
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 and said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
quote:In the Bible that I quoted and these three, all of them say in one way or another that the men of the city refused two VIRGIN daughters for the men. Is this not homosexuality?
But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house;
[5] and they called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them."
[6] Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after him,
[7] and said, "I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.
[8] Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof."
[9] But they said, "Stand back!" And they said, "This fellow came to sojourn, and he would play the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them." Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door.
[10] But the men put forth their hands and brought Lot into the house to them, and shut the door.
[11] And they struck with blindness the men who were at the door of the house, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves groping for the door.
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
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"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
there is no better way to say I love you than with the gift of a spatula!
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quote:if someone could point out exactly where it states homosexuality is a 'problem' then i think i could better understand the church's interpretation.
Coleman, granted there was more than just homosexuality that was wrong with Sodom, however, the problem with homosexuality was so big that it was worth mentioning in the Bible.
quote:its a strange view, i don't get it but respect for that.
I will never support you in your actions, nor will I tolorate anyone taking actions against you.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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quote:your religion (aka. your set of moral beliefs) says its wrong but since it is not for you to judge others, then you treat everyone as equals and leave the task of judgement to god?
I dont agree with Islam but why should someone be persicuted because of their religion? I dont agree with homosexuality but why should someone be persicuted just because of their sexual preferance?
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
quote:well done ray for keeping up this sensible, reasoned debate with no emotion or personal jibes. its going well mate
Wow, you must know everything about everything!
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If I am right, and I do believe I am, just dont come up to me and expect pitty when your standing there waiting on your judgment.
quote:how could you possibly pity a gay man on his judgement when according to your own reasoning of the nature of god, you will be standing right next to him, accused of sins that are equal in the eyes of god?
Drinking to excess, well... I'm not innocent of it, but you are missing out on a key point, EVERY SIN will keep you from the Kingdom of God, no matter where man places it on a scale, God sees sin, you go to hell.
quote:i think the basis of your pity is more than just the fact that what they are doing is a sin according to the holy bible. if thats all it was, you could compare being gay to getting drunk or any sin other but you do not have the blanket view of sin that you claim god does - you compare being gay to committing rape, murder or theft.
I feel that there are somethings like homosexuality, murder, rape, lieing, stealing that are just plain as day and obvious as a freight train an inch from your nose, sins.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"
quote:i think the whole point of this topic is the fact that it *does* matter ray!
Homophobic or not it does not matter.
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Hehe, sorry that isnt even close. What I am saying is that in my opinion homosexuality is wrong.
quote:what you said there ray is a long, long way from simply saying "i think homosexuality is wrong."
I feel that there are somethings like homosexuality, murder, rape, lieing, stealing that are just plain as day and obvious as a freight train an inch from your nose, sins.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
quote:I answerd the first part (the part that I didnt quote) here is the answer to the second.
do you rely on scholars and the gentlemen in rome (effectively the inkers and the colourists) to decide what you should believe on *all* moral matters?
quote:I do not pitty any man for their sins. Weather your gay, strait or bi, a sin is a sin and we will all be subject to the same judgement. According to my religion. I am not perfect, I have sinned, I am not striking down or judging anyone for their sins, I am however telling whoever is will to hear (or read) that they will be judged and what they should do to be prepared for that judgment.
how could you possibly pity a gay man on his judgement when according to your own reasoning of the nature of god, you will be standing right next to him, accused of sins that are equal in the eyes of god?
quote:Wow fancy that, not only is the Bible mentiond but it even says that homosexuality can be roped in with having sex with an animal!
Main Entry: sod·omy
Pronunciation: 'sä-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Gen 19:1-11
Date: 13th century
1 : copulation with a member of the same sex or with an animal
2 : noncoital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex
quote:All sin is equal for all have sinned.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
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quote:So in what one did I say that homosexuality is right? Niether? So they must both say that I think homosexuality is wrong, the second was just an extension to what I think is wrong. I could make a detailed list if that would please you. Granted not all of the list would be based on the Bible, there are some personal things that I think are wrong too.
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Hehe, sorry that isnt even close. What I am saying is that in my opinion homosexuality is wrong.
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I feel that there are somethings like homosexuality, murder, rape, lieing, stealing that are just plain as day and obvious as a freight train an inch from your nose, sins.
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what you said there ray is a long, long way from simply saying "i think homosexuality is wrong."
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