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VampyricAcid
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Posted:Kinda scared about starting this thread cos i have a bad history of starting thread that already exist BUT i have done an extensive search and im pretty sure that this thread is completely new!!

i was just out in the garden having a bit of a spin, and i thought "hmmm i wonder what other people are trying to learn at the moment" and decided it would be agreat insight into the future of poi and where people were heading, and serve as inspiration to people who are a bit stuck. There is the obvious "oooh ive just learnt this" thread stuck at the top, but i thought it'd be good to hear what problems people are having with the moves while they are learning them, and how the over come them so other people can look and discover ways they might not have thought of.

so start your replies with "This Week I Am Mostly Learning....."

This Week I Am Mostly Learning.....3bt btb weaves, reverse5bt weave, and trying to work out 6bt TTN aswell as forward7bt weave. Problems?? loads, but these moves ( wink):
3btbtb weave, i keep hitting myself in the head, but im slowly getting the timing down,
Reverse 5bt, my wrists dont seem to like it, still working on timing, again keep hitting myself in the head ubbrollsmile
6btTTN again, the wrists are complaining, and the timing keeps going off
Forward7bt, i got a few beats the otehr night but i lost it now frown confused


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T-S-A
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Posted:Glad they helpped smile

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brenonfire413
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Posted:I'm doing the simple 3 beat weave. I can get the first half of the motion down real well- crossing my right arm over the left and starting the weave. Everything goes to crap when I try and cross my arms back over and they get tangled. I know I'll get it soon enough, was practicing a lot last night and that allowed me to get as far as I could from not having been able to do it at all. Just need to figure out my timing and hand positions....

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Sister Eleven
GOLD Member since Aug 2009

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Posted:The timing this is the biggest snag I encountered in learning weaves. Even if I got my hands to do the right things, I would usually get them to do it a second too late. Thankfully it really is just a matter of putting in the time and feeling your way out.

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WoodlandApple
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Posted:Originally Posted By: brenonfire413I'm doing the simple 3 beat weave. I can get the first half of the motion down real well- crossing my right arm over the left and starting the weave. Everything goes to crap when I try and cross my arms back over and they get tangled. I know I'll get it soon enough, was practicing a lot last night and that allowed me to get as far as I could from not having been able to do it at all. Just need to figure out my timing and hand positions....

once you get it, it will click. As well as the timing make sure that you get your planes smoothe and that will help too. I was lucky in that the motions for the 3beat is exactly the same as a 4beat weave in stick fighting - so I already had the muscle memory when I first tried it!

Let us know when you get it! clap


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brenonfire413
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Posted:Thanks for the support , it's always cool to hear how people were having the exact same issues but were eventually able to overcome them. It looks like a really fun trick once you've got it down!

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aston
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Posted:Well, it is a beginning. Once you learn a couple things, everything else gets easier.

That is, once you have the basics, which I consider to be turns, butterfly, 3bt both ways, you are able to use them to build on each other and do much harder things easily.

Maybe weaves are more advanced than people think? I tend to teach turns and reels first.


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brenonfire413
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Posted:Yeah I finally did figure out the 3bt both forwards and reverse. Now I'm watching Derek's vids here on the 3bt turn and the fountain. Other than I'm working out the btb butterfly. If I wasn't in a low ceiling area, I've been craving to experiment with the windmill. But to make up for that, there's plenty of room to practice basic stalls, starting to get an okay vertical stall, working on trying to minimize the hand movement so the poi gives more of a pop effect on the upswing.

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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Working on just about everything split-time butterfly (mostly on turns and stalls in all the patterns I know), on cat-eyes, goofing around with pendulums and timing changes, trying to additionally warp the few hybrids I know...

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Derek_Faughn
DIAMOND Member since May 2008

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Location: Garland, TX

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Posted:Split Time butterfly staggered stalls
Antispin flower stalls (they are a B)
Polishing up on BTB crossers
BTB Butterf;y crossers.
Yup


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SpinnerofDetroit
GOLD Member since Oct 2009

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Location: Trenton, MI, USA

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Posted:BTB crossers
Antispin flower stalls (total B)
Plane changing
Poilishing CAPS
Floorplane hybrids
Monkeyjumps (whenever I make it outside)
Wallplane antispin flower with petals facing straight up-down-left-right
Apparently judging from my fire prctice, I need to relearn splittime butterfly extension turning
Attempting to figure out what Nevisoul called "Isolationhuggieovertheheadcombo" and I can't figure out how to do it
Nevisoul's "Isolation something" feels different than I thought it would
Wrapping poi shorter while spinning in various places


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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Originally Posted By: ReVoWhile in the topic of flowers, I made myself a paper sheet diagram with all the possible 64 combinations of arm/poi movement, and I'm practicing on getting those down. I just recently received my Scales Of Poi, and I'm having fun with it smile .

Having a delayed reaction to this comment, and am intrigued. Since the number is 64 I'm guessing these combinations are the result of eight pairs of mutually exclusive alternatives; what are the eight toggles? (You can ignore this if it's something Nick goes over in Scales of Poi, which I've got on its way.)

EDIT: Six toggles. Der. That's what I get for doing binary maths before bed.

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aston
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Posted:right arm/poi forward/reverse
left arm/poi forwards/reverse
Either in split/same time.

Poi and arms are either in split- or same-time and in butterfly- (opposite) or same-direction.

So as examples: (split time butterfly poi, same direction same time arms) (same time butterfly poi, same time butterfly arms) and so on.


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Posted:I'm currently stuck on both BTB 3-beat weaves (not even considering 5-beats yet...), I can't manage to reverse the spin of my butterflies (any advice?), stuck on reverse 5-beat weave, can't do extension 3-beats because my planes suck @5s... gah! I'll keep practicing grin

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aston
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Posted:Regarding the butterfly reverse, you can either just stall them both at once, stall one and then the other, or do the same with wrapping.

Nick has a good tut on btb weaves. But if you say your plane control is poor, I would suggest you work on that. It will help immeasurably.


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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Stalling on learning several useful variations of things I already know (reverse version of that butterfly wallplane flower, for instance). Still playing with pendulums, because there's a bloody lot to do with them. Honing stalls in less practiced directions.

My new favorite baby is taking a triquetra, and at one of the petals where both poi point the same direction, carry them to the opposite side and resume, flipping the antispin upside down. I'm only good at it in one direction so far, so getting it solid and clean in the other direction, and along non-vertical axes, is what I'm working on. (For that matter, I have a lot of improvement to make in the direction switches at four of the major swap points...) This hybrid gives me way too many variations to fiddle with; it's distracting...


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WoodlandApple
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Posted:I am working on .....

nothing. my poi have taken residence in its bag, the weather is getting better and Im pulling a durbs. Its time to go climbing!!!!


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Sister Eleven
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Posted:I guess climbing is the evil that lurks in the heart of every spinner, and which will consume those who are not ever watchful...

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WoodlandApple
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Posted:if We're lucky

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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:Doing things I can already do in reverse. Air wrap in reverse is going to be needed for good planes and it's very frustrating so far.

But anything with reverse butterfly poi motions seem to be fine


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MrOsmose
GOLD Member since Sep 2009

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Posted:Trying moves in the back, & throws with left hands...

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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Originally Posted By: SpinnerofDetroitDoing things I can already do in reverse. Air wrap in reverse is going to be needed for good planes and it's very frustrating so far.

But anything with reverse butterfly poi motions seem to be fine

Reverse air wraps are something I struggled with for weeks. I still mess them up a lot. What sort oh helped for me is pushing the downswinging poi out a little, and pulling in the upswing. Dunno if that helps anyone else, though.

I'm having a similarly tough time with reverse hyperloops right now, esp entering from my left side.


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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:I find reverse hyperloops to be consistent from both sides, but it's still nowhere near as easy as forwards left side.

I'm working on a CAPs move that's like reversing a triquetra at the bttom, but I bring them to a wheelplane for the reverse.


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EpitomeOfNovice
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Posted:Currently the priority list consists of...

5 beat weave
hyperloops
regular flowers (not in wall plane)
reverse thread the needle
butterfly weave
spinning during modern dance coreography (including many ballet movements along with barrel rolls, and other leg extensions and leaps)

Then it's considering making a staff thread like this that doesn exist that I would add:

Arm/Hand weave perfecting
Horizontal Halo Rolls (continuous ones)
Conveyor Belt
The Steve
Transitions and Turns


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brenonfire413
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Posted:Spiral wraps
Btb 3 beat weave, somewhat frustrating with repeated leg hits!
Messing around with flowers, really wishing I had some LED poi or fire picks so I could see what I'm doing...
Windmill
Yep, pretty basic stuff I guess


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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:Yeah my LED Balls are nice to look at if you know what i mean wink

I found it easier to start with a btb 2bt weave and kind of do 3bt after barely being able to hold your 2bt and just learning both from there. And you will be hitting your legs for a long time to come.


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FireJinn
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Posted:BTB Butterfly weave. In-spin wall plane fountain. Pro/Antispin flowers. Meltdowns and crossers too.
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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:Ah meltdowns are so great grin I couldn't spin around in circles without them because I love to move around so much wink

I am working on doing things in different directions still, making progress on reverse air wrap and it's fixing my planes so reverse just feels more natural now grin


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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Meltdowns are great for turning, and crossers are also good for getting the feel of reaching across your body.

SoD has got me back on those air wraps, since I found I stopped practicing them too soon and they suck again tongue2


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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:lol, they're still not good, but my planes in that direction has gotten way better.

And Crossers are an invaluable skill to learn too wink

I also learned making like a hybrid flower with crosser extention with the poi in butterfly motion grin


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death hunter


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Posted:how do you do a flower? (i feel really stupid asking)

Just because people who do the right thing because it is the right thing are hard to come by doesnt mean we dont exist

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