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LMSP
LMSP

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Member Since: 23rd Aug 2005
Total posts: 1588
Posted:If there is anything you want to shout from the rooftops but dont have a ladder, then this is for YOU! (plus it is a lot safer than climbing on top of a building)

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Kerosene_Falcon
Kerosene_Falcon

fire twirly girly
Location: Victoria, Australia
Member Since: 1st Jun 2010
Total posts: 46
Posted:argh in some medicated high fever moment I've managed to delete half my website I've spent 3 months making *facepalms*

Of course my horse is clumsy he has two left feet

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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:Sorry Kerosene frown Everything happens for a reason though!

The popcorn extends life... The popcorn expands consciousness...

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Seaspray
Seaspray

stranger by the day
Location: At the Back of the North Wind
Member Since: 8th Jul 2009
Total posts: 924
Posted:Be October 3rd already!

Just a dancer in the dark

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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:or the 15th even!

The popcorn extends life... The popcorn expands consciousness...

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Seaspray
Seaspray

stranger by the day
Location: At the Back of the North Wind
Member Since: 8th Jul 2009
Total posts: 924
Posted:Nooo! That means I miss the fun first week of Uni!

Just a dancer in the dark

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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:I miss talking to people. Like having real conversations. I feel like I used to be able to do it, and I just don't know why I can't seem to anymore...

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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:Awe! Is that directed at me SE?

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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:Nah, it's not directed at anyone in particular. I communicate better with you and Brendan better than I do most people. You remain, as ever, cool in spite of my inability to talk to people.

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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:Whew! I thought that might be directed at our very one-sided conversation about math stuff. tongue2 But I don't think you have any problem communicating.

Also, Bren is a super cool guy in real life too.


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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:I rarely expect my amateur math rambles to go both ways. And communication isn't the hard part; having a conversation that makes me feel like I've connected with someone is what's too rare lately.

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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:old In my experience, If you're true to yourself and fail to connect, it's not you, it's them.

Disclaimer: Most people I connect with end up telling me I am not all there. My response is, jumping for Jesus is crazy, I'm just an abstract thinker.

EDITED_BY: Refuge Crew (1284617970)
EDIT_REASON: disclaimer


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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Originally Posted By: Refuge Crewold In my experience, If you're true to yourself and fail to connect, it's not you, it's them.

A very good point to remember, being yourself will do you right in the long run, without a doubt.


Working hard to be a wandering hippie layabout. Ten years down, five to go!

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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:I have a few responses to that piece of advice, all roughly to the effect that its practical import is either unclear or unsound for want of a criterion to distinguish which capacities/habits, or lack thereof, are "myself" and which are merely self-defeating habits or incapacities. And it seems to exclude that a desire or impulse for change may be part of oneself, which I find dubious.

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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:It doesn't mean there is no room for change or improvement, but you should still be changing and improving yourself rather than attempting to become a specific something else, which is almost impossible anyway!

Working hard to be a wandering hippie layabout. Ten years down, five to go!

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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:Then the advice is vacuous. No offense, I realize you're trying to be helpful, but it doesn't add anything to my knowledge of the problem or available solutions.

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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Ah well, guess you'll just have to settle for a hug then.



I'm sure there used to be a sneak attack hug smiley... Hmmm....


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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:Those are nice smile

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WoodlandApple
WoodlandApple

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Location: Australia
Member Since: 1st Dec 2009
Total posts: 474
Posted:Originally Posted By: Refuge Crewold In my experience, If you're true to yourself and fail to connect, it's not you, it's them.


Thats a rather nice way of passing the blame onto others, rapport is a two way street you shouldnt just expect people to respond to you and who you are if your unwilling to respond to them.

although improbably just nitpicking onwhat you said last, when your emphasis was probably on what you said first - which I agree with,just be yourself (unless you suck nana


sticks and stones my break my bones, but ski patrol will save me.

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WoodlandApple
WoodlandApple

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Posted:Originally Posted By: Sister ElevenI have a few responses to that piece of advice, all roughly to the effect that its practical import is either unclear or unsound for want of a criterion to distinguish which capacities/habits, or lack thereof, are "myself" and which are merely self-defeating habits or incapacities. And it seems to exclude that a desire or impulse for change may be part of oneself, which I find dubious.

that statement is in itself self defeating, I also find a DESIRE to change self defeating as well. you are much better of accepting that you are who you are and focus on learning and living and loving.


sticks and stones my break my bones, but ski patrol will save me.

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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:Any ideas I might put forth or attempts to psychoanalyse you could be taken too personal. WWFF Jr. and I were expressing our concern that's all. Sisterly love and the like. If that was meaningless because it didn't come in a box, than the solution to your problem is very clear.

I think you may complicate things to the point of no connection. What Alice is, is the same thing we all are, the human experience. I can't express it in a lower context to give you a defined parameter.

Everyday you go through the same things we all do. You want a connection? It may be as simple as a meaningless conversation about your favourite colour. Next thing you know you're listening to a story about a little girl that loved red so much she painted her room and made a mess, then you work your way up to toothpaste preferences and so on, building from something that might seem meaningless, but it isn't, it has it's ends.

It will diffuse someone and open them up to different directions for conversation all the while making a connection. 99.9% of the time, you're not going to make an instant connection with someone by talking about nebulae, tesseracts and unified theory postulations straight out of the gate.

You'd be surprised how much of a connection you can build over a favourite food.


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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

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Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:The sentiment was not meaningless. I was merely attempting to point out that "be yourself" expresses a sentiment more than it does convey advice.

As for the remainder of your post, it is advice I've been given before, and which fails time after time. I'm not a censored idiot, and I know that starting with my latest math or philosophy obsession isn't a good opener. That's why I don't use that as an opener. The issue is that whatever I try as an opener doesn't seem to result in a conversation with anyone. If you exclude my partner, it's sometimes weeks at a time between substantial talks with anyone. "Start by having a conversation about [simple thing]" is only useful if I can do even that much. I'm not asking for you to fix my problem in any case.

Woodland: a desire to learn *is* a desire to change. It's pretty much the opposite of self-defeating. When an alcoholic decides to change, it's considered laudable. Yet when I want to break my barely interrupted 20 year alienation streak it's self-defeating? censored that noise.


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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:And today, I have yet another story I can't tell my imaginary grandchildren about!

James you are a very lucky, stupid bastard!


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SpinnerofDetroit
SpinnerofDetroit

All High Dude, Ruler of What You Want
Location: Trenton, MI, USA
Member Since: 25th Oct 2009
Total posts: 2280
Posted:I tackled someone for the last third of a drink in the name of JV!

The only luck is bad luck.

Shut up before I stall my poi up your ass grin

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Seaspray
Seaspray

stranger by the day
Location: At the Back of the North Wind
Member Since: 8th Jul 2009
Total posts: 924
Posted:so very, very bored. Curse you insomnia! Curse you!!

Just a dancer in the dark

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WoodlandApple
WoodlandApple

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Posted:Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven
Woodland: a desire to learn *is* a desire to change. It's pretty much the opposite of self-defeating. When an alcoholic decides to change, it's considered laudable. Yet when I want to break my barely interrupted 20 year alienation streak it's self-defeating? censored that noise.

well. No.

A desire to change is not the same as a desire to learn. A desire to change is a desire to be something you are not, which is an impossibility. Its called wishing behaivour. Which is self defeating. A purely superficial example is a short person wishing to be taller. It is impossible and a drain of energy. An alchoholic wishing not to be is not going to get them to stop. If you dont agree, then maybe look at the twelve steps of the AA, the first on is acceptance. Noowhere in the other 11 is there change but how to LEARN how to take charge of who they are.
The art of learning is to build on who you are, not to change who you are. I know these arguments are kinda semantic but in my opinion are important when you try to form an awareness of self

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Your right, what do I know I just do this for a living.


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WoodlandApple
WoodlandApple

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Posted:maybe if you wanna discuss these thoughts deeper then make a topic in discussion???

sticks and stones my break my bones, but ski patrol will save me.

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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:Yes, it is a semantic difference. As it happens, I tend to cast the problem merely in terms of skills learning, though some people seem to count this as "not being oneself". My point in previous posts were more to the effect of being owed an explanation of "self" that made "be yourself" mean anything.

And I'd put more stock in those who do these things for a living if any of the ones I've seen were even a little useful. But I wasn't talking as a clinician or to a clinician. All I can say is, as a clinician talking to someone whose education was in experimental psych and philosophy, the rhetoric of "self" (whatever that is) isn't going to be effective unless you can give me an account of what that means. Again, though, I don't really want your advice or help or whatever. Though I'll gladly discuss conceptual questions relating to what a self is supposed to be in this context.

EDIT: Sure, it can go in discussion if you want. Whatevs.

EDITED_BY: Sister Eleven (1284693653)


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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:Borrowed from a protester's sign at the London protest during the Papal protest.

"Science flies you to the moon: religion flies you into buildings."

Love it!


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Fugee
Fugee

Cooler than bubblegum!
Location: Dallas, Texas
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 2501
Posted:But do you taste any good?

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Zephyre Phoenix
Zephyre Phoenix

Familiar stranger giving out popcorn. (formerly Ascilith)
Location: Lawrence, KS
Member Since: 1st Nov 2009
Total posts: 1264
Posted:Ren fest sunday!

Never take candy from strangers...... But popcorn is okay!

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