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Dear Hippies,

There is nothing wrong with taking a bath, eating a chicken or shaving your junk! Seriously, why can't I go to an event without the dirt kidds riding me about my impact on the planet BC I make my hygiene a daily concern?

I sit and hope that an alligator will pop out of the water and attack you from behind the entire time I am smiling and agreeing with your over bearing views about my personal practices and how they damage the environment.

I'm willing to wager that I impact the environment far less than you do!

With Love,

Another Damn Party Kidd

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"Yes, bleach is 90% water, we are 90% water, therefore: we are bleach."
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I just go to Lush, easier on the environment and I smell and look fabulous!!!

*total Lushie in the hizzzzz-ouse and never going back to mass market and salon crap EVER!!!*

Hipster FTW

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Originally Posted By: Refuge CrewIt was disturbing being lectured by someone who most likely, when they do use soap, adds phosphates to the fresh water cycle, from their energy gobbling apartment that they travel to and from in a fuel guzzling car on their way to the organic smoothie bar at Whole Foods.

It's a good thing I don't give green lectures or Fugee would hate me! I only give lectures about people acting a fool and not using common sense...



Tee-hee!!!

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Originally Posted By: FTWhat some fail to understand is that virtually the entire environmental protection movement stems from the Hippie community.

I don't believe that people such as Henry David Thoreau and John Muir(Founder of the Sierra Club) were in anyway hippies. It took a lot of momentum to create the world's first natural park.

As far as, where the hippies got there momentum, and debate this all you would like, is from large farms that they would work seasonally and move on. Farmers, threw out time, have always understood you don't 'poo where you eat'.

Why I get angry at green lectures... FT, this man has probably eaten something I have carefully grown. Heritage plants are vanishing from farms at alarming rates because they either don't produce massive quantities, although they may have better nutritional value or they are replaced by drought and pest resistant or GM strains. Growing a heritage plant without fertilizes derived from petrol chemical processing and without caustic pesticides is not productive, profitable or easy.

I truly believe that someone is entitled to their opinion and all, but I was not being lectured by someone that lived a lifestyle that is easy on the planet. It is a fa�ade to talk like an earth activist and dress like a hippie, when you do so very little to "be the change you want to see in the world".

I also believed that I was entitled to my very small comfort in 40+ heat and 90%+ humidity, given that the event he enjoyed for free, came out of the pocket and efforts of myself and another, both there setting up long before anyone came out and cleaning up their mess long after they left.

It was very personal to me but it hasn't been an isolated incident with hippies telling me I am killing the planet without even knowing anything about my lifestyle. I would wager that if I grew dreads, stopped bathing everyday, went all vegan, and tossed on whatever is currently the trendy clothing of the 'hippie establishment', they would extoll me, as if I were Ghandi

I also believe that it is a matter of managing the resources of the planet as opposed to saying we shouldn't be using them at all. Far too often, the over the top hippies, are telling us to feel shame and condemn ourselves for the sake of something that we can use without damaging it or the planet.

You can even turn on an air conditioner and it be environmentally friendly, a biofuel genny can be environmentally friendly(although, there wasn't one available to me at the time), if you have a wind genny for your house(which I do), your energy consumption can be environmentally friendly.

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RC: What I am wondering is how ravers come up with the magical number? What factors do they consider? I think that if ravers were going to dizz someone for their philosophy, certainly they should start asking for their own motifs and other people's personal history when posting.

What about Greenpeace activists?

What about people that have to have special considerations? Surely some Hippies have those, if it's not their fault and they do have an extremist, it becomes discrimination at that point and in the US, the ravers can be sued under the "Americans with extremist parents" act.

As for others that are activists, I will agree that they should take responsibility for it, but how do we sort out one from the other?

My mom has been an activist and I was very much opposing her ideology at one time. Then the "righteousness lifestyle" hit me and news reports and observations led to serious lecturing (I also believe taht there is something very wrong with the German news). Last year, I topped out at 10 threads regarding ecology and politics in Social Discussion in a month alone and I realized it was destroying every aspect of my life, my relationships, my health, my emotional health and so on. I dropped over 5 threads in a year by just the smallest of changes - without counseling or internet restrictions. I believe that any nagging person is just making excuses if they continue to give lectures.



on a more serious note: Would you now understand where I am coming from? I don't mean to seriously pi55 you off and whilst "this man most likely might have eaten something that you carefully grew", putting up stereotypes like "Hippies don't shower/ have no consideration for personal hygiene"; putting up this topic "Ravers vs. Hippies" a couple of years ago would have resulted in serious flaming. You wouldn't have had friends left on this board - I tell you that much.

Because - believe it or not - the majority of fire spinners in those days were Hippies, had Hippie friends or at least subscribed to a lifestyle/ ideology which could have been labeled "Hippie/ Alternative".

I live in Goa most of the year and virtually 98% of my friends could be labeled "Hippies" - I had quite long hairs and wore clothes that would make you identify me as a Hippie. I changed all that a couple of years ago and today you would do anything BUT identify me as a Hippie (PLUS I never disregarded personal hygiene).

Do I support hypocrites giving lectures? No. Do I support people trying to minimize their efforts - regardless of the peer group they are subscribing to? You bet.

Which is why I am so cynical towards the large part of fire spinners burning fossil fuels recreationally. Which is why I've been so cynical against people having "Stop nuclear power!" and "FCUK THE SYSTEM"-like bumper stickers on their oil dribbling campers, living on the dole, going surfing every day in Byron Bay or at the Gold Coast.

They won't work, exploit the system and keep jacka55ing those who do work, do pay taxes and do try to live a sustainable lifestyle at the same time.

There IS a lot of hypocrisy in the alternative lifestyle community - but it's far better, taking them by the hand and for a walk and explaining them something. Many of the organic farmers are NOT Hippies - and how many "Hippies" ever done WWOOFing to support them in their efforts?


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OMG anyone who gets upset over labeling to an extreme extent has a personal problem and takes $hit way too seriously. How old are you FT 42? Act like it and not your shoe size! You sound like an insecure child who's just been roughed up at school. You're all talking about hippie violence and discrimination in the present day? Guess what? Non-conformists of all kinds get with and bring it on themselves by their behavioral and expressive choices. End of story! If undue violence, or any other law is broken take it to the authorities pretty simple. If you're breaking laws I do not recommend this, but if you're doing wrong it's still your choice and taking the consequences shouldn't be a shocker.

Guess what? This is ridiculous and the only person getting bent out of shape wanting to maintain your hippie hierarchy is yourself and the rest of your kind who refuse to broaden their minds and demographics. It doesn't matter where you are or what you do, there will always be a new school tinkering with it.

If someone starts hating on hipsters I don't care since it's a past time for many, but I poke fun at myself all the time and most of the people who hate have no room to talk themselves so why get bent out of shape.

If you think labels are stupid and juvenile why keep posting and getting more bent out of shape connecting yourself on purpose to the repulsive things you hate? You're only making these stupid, ignorant, wastes of time more real and tangible entirely counter acting your initial purpose for storming this thread......

Or was it?

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Great advice right there

The only luck is bad luck.

Shut up before I stall my poi up your ass

Seye: I'm with you 100%

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oh - and EoN the next two are for you


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That's okay, I'll see your 2 internets and raise you 1...



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Originally Posted By: Refuge Crew

Ah, we were all candy kidds in HS at one time or another. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and try to give them your experience and examples to follow. It does take a village

I agree :-)

My mother and i used to have discussions about the relations between the two cultures all the time. The one constant I have found is love and its pursuit.
Originally Posted By: SeyeDear Americans,

You have no idea what ravers or raves are. You use these words in entirely the wrong context. There is a complex array of terms to describe every element of the party scene, please learn them. Also, while we are here, the acronym "PLUR" is just not cool.

Yours,
The UK.
I've heard alot of elitist attitude, here and elsewhere, as if there is one right answer. Whether they are newly exploring a scene or we're on the deep end of our beliefs, whatever our age or our interpretation, live in love. Explore these interpretations and how they came be, and came to be enjoyed.

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Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNoviceHipster Cat INVASION!!! He will PWN everybody and their mama...


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Damn you Hipster Cat! Time to address pics 1-12.

1. Too true
2. Fail
3. 2 words, Calvin Klein!
4. More believable if it was Bud Ice, Nattie light or some sort of malt liquor.
5. Win
6. Another win!
7. Google Images, Diglett looks like a brown twinkie!
8. Win for the bourgeois and nouveau riche...
9. Win
10. Yes it does! Another win!
11. Fail, everyone knows the photographers have to stay outside.
12. Anorexia tends to cause anaemia, so I could see you needing a scarf hipsters.

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Originally Posted By: lilBrobecOriginally Posted By: Refuge Crew

Ah, we were all candy kidds in HS at one time or another. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and try to give them your experience and examples to follow. It does take a village

I agree :-)

My mother and i used to have discussions about the relations between the two cultures all the time. The one constant I have found is love and its pursuit.


A) Some of us were brutal in high school, not candy ravers. (And when I say brutal, I expect you to ignore the fact that I made costumes for our school's drama club. I did it while listening to Sepultura.)

B) I would give them a chance if I could still fit in the venue. One of the few places in Seattle where I didn't actually have to tell the bartender that I wanted a pint of Guiness and a can of Wired...

C) I'm an example to ing nobody, and unless they can introduce me to good music or show me some techy stuff with poi, they're an obstacle to my enjoyment. Physically, that is: they occupy space I could be using to spin my poi.

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Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven
A) Some of us were brutal in high school, not candy ravers.

LOL

High School Epitome was 2 years younger than everyone in her grade, had her way with the dresscode wearing funky tights with fishnets over top and sported black lipstick and purple hair with her uniform, and was quite proud of her fakie that met the fate of ending up on the "wall of shame" at too mainstream a place in Bmore. Her most common phrase: "Oh my, look at all the nonconformists conforming to each other... Seriously people?" is still reminisced about with fond joking/poking to this day...

Now she has softened up and jokes seeing the rebellious youngin's and says: "Wow, I was more of a bad in my prom dress" LOL While some of them have less sense than my hayday in the 90s, there are many who are a breath of fresh air and come out as they are.

Ah, nostalgia! Anyways in the end it seems I was born a hipster who love to get down with meh funky fresh self and the eternal struggle of the old school, the next generation, and the renegades like myself will come together and keep the scene alive until there is something better to do. But I do agree many of us have not and will never have a candy phase! *high five*



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Originally Posted By: Sister Eleven

A) Some of us were brutal in high school, not candy ravers. (And when I say brutal, I expect you to ignore the fact that I made costumes for our school's drama club. I did it while listening to Sepultura.)

B) I would give them a chance if I could still fit in the venue. One of the few places in Seattle where I didn't actually have to tell the bartender that I wanted a pint of Guiness and a can of Wired...

C) I'm an example to ing nobody, and unless they can introduce me to good music or show me some techy stuff with poi, they're an obstacle to my enjoyment. Physically, that is: they occupy space I could be using to spin my poi.

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Haha yes! Let's start a Metalheads vs. Punks thread where we can discuss spinning in trench coats and spiked leather jackets while arguing who is better for spinning to: Bad Brains or Pantera. Complain about Corpse-paint running in this heat or if Goatwhore qualifies as black metal even though they are American.

I have also come to the conclusion that poi and rockabilly do not mix.

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Skaters totally PWNed the Punks and Metalheads

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