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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:Can firetwirling moves be owned?
If you learnt the weave independently, does that mean you own it?
does that apply to any move you have learnt independently?
The local fire community here is also very technically diverse, and as such there is a great tendency to see the unique being anything but!

The motivation to declare ownership of them does not take a psychoanalyst to understand; we pour hours, sometimes years into 'development' of a move, and wish be recognised for it. Profesionally, some peeps may feel little need to share a move, to reinforce their differentiation.

But is it right to declare it? more to the point, is it even possible?

learning to recognise then letting go of this desire was of great significance to me as it appeared to be easy but proved deceptively elusive. Freeing oneself in this way removes a negative ego from our consciousness and truly does make happiness one step closer, if only because it makes firetwirling that much more fun!!

have you got any tales of firetwirling copyright? they don't have to involve llamas if don't want to. Not that I'm suggestively implying it. Llamas. They're furry, y'know.

share the fun!!


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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:yes, indeed any concept of copyrighting moves is as ludicrous as a shaved llama.

Also i note the distinction between twirling moves, routines and styles. styles are inherently personal and are thus truly owned methinks (the copyright question be damned!) and individual moves themselves are more the divisible components that maketh up a style (like the firey letters that form your pyro-name) and are more conducive to imitation.

On a side note, I'd just like to declare that all this is kinda moot in any event as Albert Hoffman taught me that we are not individuals at, but simply One Great Conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, so we but help share all our firetwirling moves...
and here's tom with the weather.


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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

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Posted:hee hee....shaved llama....hee hee ho ho ha ha.

me want one.


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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

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Posted:i wrote a nice reply to this yesterday.
then i pressed a button on the side of my new spangly new mouse, my browser went 'back' and i lost my post.

then i did it again today?!
stupid new microsoft mousesess - they haven't even got any balls...

so anyway, here is a summary:

no ownership.
no advanced move is one single idea (like what mr tempest said).
skateboarding comparison (again ).
ollies and 3bt weaves.
jason lee and the 360 flip.
invention vs. development and prominence.
sharing, popularity of a move and video.

probably much more interesting to read than my actual post and a shitload shorter


now bender, tell me more about this hoffman fellow...


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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UCOF
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Posted:lol..

um...coleywoley..

im guessingyou have the same mouse as me...teh microsoftical explorer...witht eh magical optical eyeole? silver?

no?

cos you can ALWAYS just hit forwards and you are returned to your post in progress...i do it all the time.


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DeepSoulSheep
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Posted:Aparently Llama's can be used to protect sheep. I read it on the internet.

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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Glåss
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Posted:Coleman... any chance you could quote me on this:

Last night, a young man on acid realised that all matter is mearly energy condensed to a slow vibration. That, we are all one conciousness, experiencing itself, subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves....


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coleman
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Posted:no problem:

quote:Originally posted by Glss:
Last night, a young man on acid realised that all matter is mearly energy condensed to a slow vibration. That, we are all one conciousness, experiencing itself, subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.... there ya go

check the sig.
been there for ages...


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Glåss
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Glåss

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Posted:thanks, I've been appreciating what it meant since glasto

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bender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

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Posted:heh well there definitely is a consensus here about the llamalike insanity in the ownership of moves.
If we agree on that principle, do we also all manifest it the same way?
i.e. Do we all behave like no-one owns certain tricks?

Coleman and Glass, did you know that he has a new album coming out posthumourously? it's gunna be called 'Shock and awe' yaaaaay!


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Skrytinn_Qveldriga
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Posted:i just want to say, somewhat off topically, that i love you for qouting some of my heroes... biggrin

peace


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Fire_Moose
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Posted: Written by: ben-ja-men


its why the moves are called the weave, corkscrew etc etc rather than the bob, mary, fred and jill.



what about the steve? who is steve?


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UCOF
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Posted:ubblol
Damn good point poje,

Thats the only move I can think of like that..

(except not-coleman-five's and "The Ucof principle wink )


 Written by: me earlier

cos i do the Kneller neck throw with a staff..


I havent thought about that move in years .. thanks for the bump Mr. Skrytinn_Qveldriga hug2


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