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ladyleo
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Posted:Females:

Poi to gain strength in mind, body, and spirit. Poi for meditation in escaping dharmas or bringing them to light. Females have creative cycles, and dancing with poi allows us to express them and gain stability, get our breathe back, and calm our nerves!

Poi also goes extremely well with yoga! Females: get empowered. Love what you do and dance from the center of your heart.

The entire planet has been imbalanced for quite some time. It has been depleted of this loving, creative, and stable feminine energy. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, stop slouching, stop being quiet. Stop faking. Get out there and poi!


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EpitomeOfNovice
EpitomeOfNovice

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Posted:Originally Posted By: NathanielEveristSorry, how was I or anybody else straw-manning? If you're going to throw such an accusation around, you'll need to support it at least a little.

It's very easy to think straw-manning is going on especially when opinions are stated via text. It's a fact of life, none the less you haven't stated how you yourself are being harmed by feminine empowerment. Personally I'm not for or against it, but I have been denied plenty of jobs I'm good at (like automotive stuff) because it is viewed as "man's work". Saying there isn't an issue is false regardless of how loopholes are used to escape the stigma of discrimination to this day, still in the US it is perfectly legal to pay a woman less than a man for doing the same job (I was shocked to hear that on the news not even 1 year ago!).

Quote:Are you not marginalising Men by making the assumption that men 'typically' don't acquaint themselves with feminist literature? I've read more feminist literature than any female I know personally, as I was made to study it fairly extensively at uni in Philosophy and my Law degree(both subjects that have been very male-dominated, but from a glace appear to be approaching 50/50).

You admit to being forced to do so to obtain your degree, that's proves Sister Eleven's point right there. "Typically" as in not coerced to acquaint one's self with literature containing a reasonable spectrum of information concerning these issues. *is shocked to this day at mens lack of knowledge on female anatomy and physiology*

Quote:That asside, I see people's (both men and women) ignorance of feminine literature a good indication, as it shows that such literature is losing its relevence, which suggests to me that gender inequality is slowly becoming less of an issue in our society.

I see it as humanity's migration to other forms of media along with other factors that change with the times, but I'd never make such an assumption leading to that determination.

Quote:This doesn't sit right with me, to pre-emptively attempt to disclude something and call it nonsense outright before anybody has bought it up seems unsettlingly aggressive... as does your whole post really.

I also disagree with the way you have pretty much said "if you still disagree, you've missed the point" in the last sentence of your post.

There's no need to be so confrontational and domineering.
I'm not here to fight, just discuss, and I'm fairly sure I speak for everybody when I say that.

Considering where she jumped in at and the responses thus far I would have to disagree and think that the whole "participation trophy and everyone is special" mentality much of western culture has shifted to is to blame for these issues arising when it would've been easier for men to have taken an accepting "live and let live" approach, as long as no one is taking anything away from you I don't see why the responses that caused her to speak up ever needed to happen. But they did and it is what it is, I say she's entirely justified in her opinions with what she is responding to.

Quote:Sorry, you'll need to specify in what way the spinning community oppresses women, through any factors.

spinning community (yes I didn't capitalize that on purpose) notice how that could mean anything (local, internet in general, etc), add in the fact that the definition of "oppression" varies from person to person. The probability it does happen is almost certain somewhere at some point.

Quote:Yes, it is of interest to me that the HOP collaboration video had no women in it, especially when to my memory, the COL videos (at least the ones I have) have quite a strong female pressence. I have a few theories as to why this is, but I'll need to cultivate them a little before I post...

How are your theories more valid than her's? Theories are not equal to facts.

Quote:I think that gender inequality is dissipating, it's not gone by any means, but it's going, if you want me to post a bunch of links to statistics supporting this, I will.

I love women, and men and don't think either should be oppressed in any unjust way. I do whatever I can to encourage women in their spinning and I do the same for men.

I'm not a believer in polling and statistics personally, but don't you think the issues of gender inequality (especially adding in the factor of sexual orientation) don't carry the most integrity of presentation in the era of political correctness, affirmative action, and potential civil suits? I'm glad you love women and think everyone should be entitled to encouragement at some point to succeed (I'd really love it if we could remove the entitlement part, but I'll let that slide wink ), but do you think that discouraging a coming together in a celebration of females is loving and a call for everyone to be mandated to show an ambiguous display of generalized praise is demeaning and robs integrity and freedom of expression from women and men alike?

Just my thoughts on the topic, these subjects interest me a great deal along with how individuals and societies will come to a solution considering we all have our own ideas and responses that don't coincide with others.


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EpitomeOfNovice
EpitomeOfNovice

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Posted:Originally Posted By: brenonfire413Guys, really: chill out. Nobody is out to get you. Leave this thread for what it was intended. If you are so upset about the gall of the OP, make a thread titled "Men: Why We're Still Awesome"

And think long and hard before any more talk of reverse discrimination or an imbalance of equality. It's still tipped but the direction has not changed at all. That is silly whining with no basis.

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brenonfire413
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Posted:And I typed it all out on my mobile. My thumbs are aching!

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Mother_Natures_Son
Mother_Natures_Son

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Posted:A large amount of the problem is when one persons opinion is surrounded by and then coloured by the ones around it.

Mine will get lumped into any number of other opinions despite being completely different.

My point has and always will be as follows... the best way to empower females is to create a sense of community and belonging that stems not only from the power of women but the power of people

Divisions are created through socialisation from the moment a child is born, pink or blue baby clothes... and this is something impressed upon the genders not only by men, but women as well, so wouldn't it make the most sense to draw power as a man, woman, otter, unicycle, bowl of spaghetti from the united acceptance and understanding of the group rather than just other bowls of spaghetti?


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EpitomeOfNovice

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Posted:MNS, I think that you're forgetting the value of encouragement or any other gesture is determined by the recipient when it all comes down to it. If there were united acceptance, acceptance would lose it's value as well don't you think?

Here is a really superficial example of what I mean:

I just got new shoes
A man compliments why shoes who I believe has good taste
A man doesn't even notice my shoes
A woman who I think has horrible fashion sense has a snide comment about my shoes
A woman who I believe has good taste likes my shoes
A woman who I think has no sense of fashion likes my shoes

Should all of the opinions be of equal value to me? Is that even realistic?

In the end meaning is determined by the recipient of a gesture regardless of what feedback they give or who made the gesture from the start.


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Posted:I don't think shoes are quite the same as the right to self esteem, unless you're implying that as a man I don't think its good for a woman to feel good about her abilities.

I think its realistic in a small community to have a consensus of basic humanistic values.


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EpitomeOfNovice
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Posted:Self esteem is determined by "Yourself" no one else has anything to do with it.

Example:

I just spin the best I have in front of peers and they all compliment me, but because I do much better when no one is watching I do not agree although I thank my peers and appreciate their gesture.

Has my self-esteemed changed? And who are others to think they can determine my self esteem?

That's like if everyone who said something "offensive" or "ignorant" to me determined my self-esteem I have no ownership in my own thoughts and am a victim. But isn't it my choice to let someone else's opinion effect me and don't I have a right to who's criticism is valuable and who's isn't.

To me that is thought control because weather it's positive or negative, you are allowing someone else to dictate your self worth. I see that as demeaning, but I feel that you have good intentions in your idea so to me you are making a good effort and are just fine in my opinion, but I absolutely would hate if your theory was enforced and my self esteem would lessen because of my values.

The shoes were a superficial example, but if you think something like that doesn't effect self-esteem (especially when you chose those shoes and bought them with your money and wore them on your feet yet someone else gave input) I know there are many people (male and female) who would disagree with that.

Hope that makes some sense, it really is up to the individual and I'm just trying to use simple situational examples to aid in my expression. If I believed I has a "right" or an "entitlement" so self esteem, I might as well just be a robot because it would hold no human or emotional value to me whatsoever erasing the purpose of self-esteem as defined.

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Posted:Its not about self esteem being directly linked to encouragement.

Though, your shoes seems to suggest it is. Theres two different things there, still... when friends compliment me on my spinning they're an unskilled audience, but when it comes to humanitarian issues, we're all capable of compassion, understanding and encouragement.

My point is about encouragement and community as part of an effective learning environment.

The most effective classrooms are ones where people feel like they can say things and not be put down for any mistakes they might make and encouraged for having the courage to voice it.

Encouraging trying based on your identity as a student, not your identity as male/female or whatever else.

We all know that males and females have much the same hurdles in learning poi(aside from males learning the butterfly, am I right?), especially when so many of the technical spinners are very much self taught.


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EpitomeOfNovice
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Posted:*scratches head* I'm not saying we're capable of those things... I'm saying that it's not the same for everyone and to have a unified, enforced approach would take away the meaning and that being just another body without things used for self identification can be a detriment for some...

Ok, another example that is very real and true for how I learn (and it's getting late so this is my last try for this evening! lol)...

Ok I'm struggling with learning something and all I hear is positivity and encouragement.
I start getting it right and I'm told "Great! There you go!"
I start thinking "I suck I suck I suck I suck!!!"
I've still got it going and very sloppy as I'm more distracted then I cease doing the move
I take a deep breath and I'm told "Awesome! Keep up the good work!"
Then I feel patronized and get angry because I work better with honest assessments and I'm more motivated in a competitive setting.

Every dance teacher and riding coach I've ever had who told me "That was pathetic, do it again!" Then I performed at the top and won competitions I'm thankful for, so that line of thinking makes some sense to me that you have, but not all people are receptive to the same thing.


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Posted:Gender issues and female/male equality was never the point of this thread. The change in focus has totally devalued the original intent by the OP.

If anybody wishes to discuss this with me over any of the others who have replied then please do so through a message. Or if you feel strongly enough that this needs public input, make a separate thread.

Come on everyone, let's salvage what's left of this discussion and return this to its original intent. It started off on such a positive note.


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EpitomeOfNovice
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Posted:Haha and don't worry, I'm not all hung up on my shoes, but to say shoes don't mean as much to some and compassion and a helpful hand would mean to another I must say from experience I've seen more people value the opinion of shoes! tongue2

LOL night-night! talk to you guys tomorrow!

Sorry Bren, I was trying to steer the boat back ever so desperately, but I obviously failed even though I tried to give the best examples possible I could come up with to encourage understanding on a broad spectrum. My bad.

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Posted:Where there's smoke there's 'Refuge' so here I am. I'm leaving now.

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:Ok, so I've mostly just been being silly in this thread but I've still been following and it got me thinking:

I think it all boils down to how we experience it all, and how our previous experiences and cultures shape our interpretations of the situation. The situation at hand being gender equality.

I don't really know how to explain this, but the best example I can give is when I was living in Vanuatu I was frequently asked by visiting yachties/boaties (both male and female) how I coped as a young female in a male dominated society or in a society where women were oppressed.

But the reality of it was that society wasn't male dominated and the women weren't oppressed - it just seems that way from a Western perspective. And I'll admit that until I joined their tribal society, I thought the same thing about the domination/oppression, but my experiences there and my insights into their culture made me see it a different way.

And I think that's what's happening here. I can't see the marginalisation of women in the spinning community because according to my own experiences and concepts of what that means, I don't see it existing. The blokes in this thread are probably finding a similar situation. Yet the people who do see a marginalisation occurring are seeing its existence from their own experiences.

It's based on our own individual criteria. Women in spinning doesn't meet the criteria for marginalisation for some people, but it does for others.


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Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
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Mother_Natures_Son
Mother_Natures_Son

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Posted:Encouragement really only means to stimulate.

That doesnt mean to flatter people with compliments.


I'm not posting here again... nor in any other social discussion forum, quite simply due to people assuming that if someone doesn't agree with them that you've taken a 100% contrary stance.


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Posted:Originally Posted By: Refuge CrewWhy isn't 'bloody' censored!

*Gives Seye a hiding.* Curse words are forbidden in HoP!
Answer...
Originally Posted By: Rouge Dragoncos "bloody" isnt a swear word wink

And as for...
Originally Posted By: SpinnerofDetroitAh, we're all a little hippie wink
Actually over time I am gradually turning into...

Non-Https Image Link

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As for the rest of this topic I'd like to refer you all to my earlier post...
Originally Posted By: SeyeBloody hippies...


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NathanielEverist
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Posted:Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice
It's very easy to think straw-manning is going on especially when opinions are stated via text. It's a fact of life, none the less you haven't stated how you yourself are being harmed by feminine empowerment.

I never stated how I'm being harmed by feminine empowerment because I don't think I am being harmed by it, that's an assumption on your part.

Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice Personally I'm not for or against it, but I have been denied plenty of jobs I'm good at (like automotive stuff) because it is viewed as "man's work".

You shouldn't have done that, if you're good at something and it's what you want to do, go for it! I never said there weren't social pressures placed upon Women by society's expectations of them, because certainly there are! Same for men, I mean, if a man wanted to be a hairdresser, ballet dancer, fashion designer, he would be unfairly labelled gay by many, so the social expectations are on both sides.

Also, I've never said I'm against female empowerment, not at all, I'm all for it and exercise it actively, but I do the same for men.

Quote:
You admit to being forced to do so to obtain your degree, that's proves Sister Eleven's point right there.

Actually they were electives, so if I wasn't genuinely interested in those topics, I would've elected a different subject that I was more interested in.

Quote:*is shocked to this day at mens lack of knowledge on female anatomy and physiology*

I'm shocked at how little some Women know about their own physiology! But I guess I probably know more about female physiology than male physiology, so it can work both ways, but I'll agree it generally doesn't.

Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice}
[quoteThat asside, I see people's (both men and women) ignorance of feminine literature a good indication, as it shows that such literature is losing its relevence, which suggests to me that gender inequality is slowly becoming less of an issue in our society.

I see it as humanity's migration to other forms of media along with other factors that change with the times, but I'd never make such an assumption leading to that determination.[/quote]

Yeah, you could be right, especially as gender expectations are strongly enforced through other media outlets, like movies and television. I mean, how often do you see female action heroes? More importantly, how often do you see female action heroes who aren't presented in an overtly sexual way? I don't know either, what I stated was purely anecdotal opinion.

Quote:Considering where she jumped in at and the responses thus far I would have to disagree and think that the whole "participation trophy and everyone is special" mentality much of western culture has shifted to is to blame for these issues arising when it would've been easier for men to have taken an accepting "live and let live" approach, as long as no one is taking anything away from you I don't see why the responses that caused her to speak up ever needed to happen. But they did and it is what it is, I say she's entirely justified in her opinions with what she is responding to.

Sorry, I don't fully understand what you mean here. Could you clarify?

Quote:spinning community (yes I didn't capitalize that on purpose) notice how that could mean anything (local, internet in general, etc), add in the fact that the definition of "oppression" varies from person to person. The probability it does happen is almost certain somewhere at some point.

Yeah, for sure probablility would state that it would've happened somewhere at some point, but a probably single occurance, or even multiple occurances of marginalisation (or anything) isn't reason enough to say there are factors in the community that marginalise women. This is playing semantics hardcore. You're definitely right about those words having subjective meanings, which is why I asked her to specify, so I could get more information.

Originally Posted By: EpitomeOfNovice
Originally Posted By: NathanielYes, it is of interest to me that the HOP collaboration video had no women in it, especially when to my memory, the COL videos (at least the ones I have) have quite a strong female pressence. I have a few theories as to why this is, but I'll need to cultivate them a little before I post...

How are your theories more valid than her's? Theories are not equal to facts.

I never said my theories are more valid than hers and I certainly don't believe they are, I was agreeing with her that it is of interest to me that HOP's colab video had no females. I then stated that I've got a few theories as to why this would be, but that I don't think they're well developed enough to post yet. I never said theories were equal to facts, and would never say that. I don't know how you interpreted what I said to mean that, or that I was stating in any sense that my theories were more valid than hers.

Quote:I'm not a believer in polling and statistics personally

No, me neither, that's why I always ask, because I prefer not to, but some people really see statistical evidence as carrying a lot of weight and want to see it.

Quote:don't you think the issues of gender inequality (especially adding in the factor of sexual orientation) don't carry the most integrity of presentation in the era of political correctness, affirmative action, and potential civil suits?

Sorry, I'm finding it hard to understand what you're saying here, not sure why, but the way you've phrased it just isn't computing, I've had a few drinks, so I apologise if that's the cause.

Quote:I'm glad you love women and think everyone should be entitled to encouragement at some point to succeed (I'd really love it if we could remove the entitlement part, but I'll let that slide wink )


Thanks, but I didn't say that everybody should be entitled to it, certain people and actions certainly don't deserve encouragement. So, we can remove the entitlement part, as I never put it there in the first place.

Quote:do you think that discouraging a coming together in a celebration of females is loving and a call for everyone to be mandated to show an ambiguous display of generalized praise is demeaning and robs integrity and freedom of expression from women and men alike?

Is this two questions or one? Again, sorry, something about the phrasing here my alcohol sodden mind is having trouble with. I think it's because it kinda feels like there should be a question mark after praise, or maybe the 'is' between 'females' and 'loving' is meant to be a different word.
But, I think that anybody being mandated to express something is a theft of freedom. Does that answer the question? Sorry if I totally misinterpreted that.

Quote:Just my thoughts on the topic, these subjects interest me a great deal along with how individuals and societies will come to a solution considering we all have our own ideas and responses that don't coincide with others.

Same, these kinda topics do pull me in. I really didn't want to post in this because I knew I would get sucked into a discussion and not be able to get out... bad.

Originally Posted By: brenonfire
Come on guys seriously? This thread has plummeted so far off topic the G forces made me pass out! I thought this thread was intended for female empowerment, not female defending your equality.

Yeah, it has been mutilated into something far beyond what it was originally intended, but once the discussion started and it started to become about something else, I couldn't help but get involved, because these are issues close to my heart. One of these girls should make a new thread to refresh the positive idea of female encouragement. However, you having said that then went on to give quite a large post about your own opinions on the matter.

Oh, and I was thinking about making a thread to encourage men, but now it'll look like I'm doing so due to being 'upset about the gall of the OP' lol.

Originally Posted By: MNSWe all know that males and females have much the same hurdles in learning poi(aside from males learning the butterfly, am I right?)

You're totally right.

@EpitomeOfNovice: I agree, that our overly politically correct nation that tries to reward everything including what is essentially failure attempts to unify encouragement to the point where it loses all meaning, I really feel strongly in concurrance with you there.

Originally Posted By: brenonfire
Come on everyone, let's salvage what's left of this discussion and return this to its original intent. It started off on such a positive note.

This thread is pretty mutilated man, to try to steer it back towards original intent seems like trying to fix a broken nose by punching it. I think we might be better off starting a new thread to reboot the original intent of this thread...But here goes:

Whoo! You go girl! It's your birthday! You girls look great in your shoes! You also look very feminine and powerful spinning fire naked in a tribal-like state of mind!

Hmm, that was intended as a joke, but ended up sounding really sarcastic, whoops.

But on a serious note, I think women can be fantastic spinners, and I would love to see more women expressing their skills online and in the collab videos, because women bring their own unique styles to the experience making everything more diverse and far more enjoyable.

Jeez, that's a long post... ok, no more posting for me, I'm in too deep and it's costing me a lot of time now.


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EpitomeOfNovice

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Posted:Originally Posted By: NathanielEveristThis thread is pretty mutilated man, to try to steer it back towards original intent seems like trying to fix a broken nose by punching it. I think we might be better off starting a new thread to reboot the original intent of this thread...But here goes:

Whoo! You go girl! It's your birthday! You girls look great in your shoes! You also look very feminine and powerful spinning fire naked in a tribal-like state of mind!

Hmm, that was intended as a joke, but ended up sounding really sarcastic, whoops.

But on a serious note, I think women can be fantastic spinners, and I would love to see more women expressing their skills online and in the collab videos, because women bring their own unique styles to the experience making everything more diverse and far more enjoyable.

Jeez, that's a long post... ok, no more posting for me, I'm in too deep and it's costing me a lot of time now.

LOL I'm hanging back for a bit and see if it will go back on course, also give others time to try to redirect this one if possible. Can't believe I brought shoes into a discussion, but it has brought about a funny anecdote in terms of making examples!

Everyone is different in how they input and output data and that's fine by me. I'd have to thoroughly weed through how this thread got derailed for some of our communication lapses to full make sense, but that has to be another day as I'm overloaded with responsibilities until the weekend.

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Posted:yeah, I kind of decided to stay out of this so I wouldn't spend all my time in here laugh3 And also, I would too, love to see more women spinners. And not the ones that use their sexuality to entertain, I mean like the ones that have nice, clean, beautiful spinning. Because we all know they're out there. I mean, why can't there be like a female Nevisoul out there? So for all of you holding back (not just women), get your vids into the collabs and stuff. We all want to see you! smile

The only luck is bad luck.

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Posted:The shoes were good - seriously. Here's my take on the shoes:

You bought the shoes because you like them.
End of story
Why should you care what anyone else thinks about them?

That was kind of my point in relation to "empowerment" of any kind - people should feel comfortable about themselves and then the world would be fine.
But generally people aren't. They have various hangups and therefore feel the need to find things to feel good and bad about themselves and others.
If you look around at the people you think "have it all together" I think you'll find some truth in this.


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FireTom
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Posted:see - errm "women" and "men" are different... "wo" is that indicator...

It's good that they ARE different... otherwise men's lives would be quite boring...

Poi might give wo-men/ fe-males laugh3 who's making these terms anyway? laugh3 an opportunity to demonstrate grace in an otherwise technical environment... I personally find it quite boring to watch (male) "tech-reels" and prefer grace of movement/ flow... women naturally express this much better than men.

It's slipping towards a world where you have more and more male women and female men... not sure where that is leading to. I'm not talking about the "natural order of things" but about self-awareness.

If poi helps some to reinstate feminine energy, so be it. But if it leads to women just standing glued to the spot, whirling (fire)balls around their bodies, then it's just lost (IMHO)...

Dance girls - show men what they naturally envy you for...


the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink

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vicky_tricky
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Posted:Did you ever do that paper? I'm really interested in reading it. I am doing a poi and empowerment workshop for my Women Studies class and I would love to hear other people's perspective (if I use any of your ideas of course I will reference you). Anyways, if you get this message and have the paper I would love to read it. You can email me @ vicky_tricky@homtail.com Thanks so much! Blessings and Friendships. Victoria

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vicky_tricky
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Posted:You might possible be the coolest guy on the planet. I also hated the direction this forum was going and I am glad you spoke out. I'm totally in love with you b/c of your message. Coolest censored guy EVER!

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