EpitomeOfNovice
EpitomeOfNovice

Putting the "FUN" in fundamental since 1981
Location: Dover, Delaware USA
Member Since: 15th Sep 2009
Total posts: 787
Posted:Ok, I can thread the needle forward and really manipulate it to many positions to rock out pretty funky with it... clap

shocked However I'm trying to learn the reverse so I can nail the 4 beat version and it keeps wrapping my wrist the second I try to get it started from reverse butterfly (which I also do very cleanly and have fun with). Any advice on this matter would be most helpful!


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Teamo
Teamo

Almost again
Location: Finland
Member Since: 22nd Dec 2009
Total posts: 124
Posted:Can you do the reverse butterfly with either hand on top? If not, get that down first. Then just like one would do for a forward TTN, start switching which hand is on top. Do a few beats with right on top. Switch and do a few beats with the left on top. Switch... etc. And gradually try to decrease the number of beats between switches.

To make things easier:
Start with doing big circles like extensions at first, instead of just small circles infront of you. This makes it so that you have more time to think about which hand is going to go on top before you actually have to cross them. Or do it without poi first, just making the motion with your arms. This way you can slow it down as much as you want. Then gradually make smaller and smaller circles, and you can start accentuating that classic TTN-movement of pushing and pulling your arms.

Edit: That was how do get into outward TTN from scratch. But to address you problem more specifically, I'd suggest trying to concentrate on the hand that's pushing from underneath (I'm assuming that's the one that keeps wrapping up the other one). Normally one tends to concentrate on the hand that's pulling and on top. But if the poi underneath is hitting the wrist of the other arm, you need to make sure you're punching that lower arm out fast enough.

I hope this helped at all smile.

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triptrician
UFO Spotting
Location: Queensland
Member Since: 26th Feb 2010
Total posts: 350
Posted:not my thread but thank you so much. Have been encountering similar problems. I love how all it takes is another perspective to make that penny drop

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poifull_spirit
journeyman

Member Since: 3rd Mar 2009
Total posts: 64
Posted:Reverse TTN was a bitch! took me a month to get it from when i got forward. the problem is timing and how familiar you are with forward.

Here's something that may help or may confuse you... it helps me but not everyone.

everything you do in forwards is essentially the same thing as reverse if you were standing upsidown. so if you're doing butterfly and spinning forwards and you picture yourself upsidown, your poi will be doing the same motion but in relation to you (the imaginary upsidown you) it will be in reverse. the reason this is helpful (for many moves but especially rev TTN) is because you already know the timing with forwrds and the points where you cross your poi. so once you can picture that you should have a better idea of where in the reverse TTN you can switch which hand is in front.


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Midkiff
shadow stranger
Location: Carmi, Illinois
Member Since: 29th Nov 2009
Total posts: 462
Posted:well i actually learned this version first but the way i do it is different i put my arms under the other not over i have never actually even thought to attempt it over

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EpitomeOfNovice
EpitomeOfNovice

Putting the "FUN" in fundamental since 1981
Location: Dover, Delaware USA
Member Since: 15th Sep 2009
Total posts: 787
Posted:Thanks much ReVo, I'm slowly but surely working it out now. I should hopefully have a good flow with it here soon, just have to work out the timing a little more. I'm wishing I started working with directly after getting the forward down because that timing keeps coming back and causing the issues when it needs to be reversed.

Poifull, you're absolutely correct about that proficiency forward! From here on out I'll try to not lean towards sticking with my dominant sense of direction and try to work out all variations instead of fine tuning what feels natural(for me that's everything forward and right hand leading/dominant). ubbangel


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Sister Eleven
Sister Eleven

owner of the group property
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2009
Total posts: 1277
Posted:This is one of the moves (along with 5bt weaves especially) where I see the forward version's muscle memory tripping people up when they're trying to learn it. When doing it forward, you swing the bottom hand on top of the other one and forward; doing it reverse, you swing the top hand to the bottom and forwards. But what happens a lot is your hand will automatically want to do it the forward way (which wraps it around your wrist), which is confusing because your muscle memory makes it *feel* like you must be doing it right. All you can really do is try to keep an eye on it, break it down, and tough it out...

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aston
aston

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Location: South Africa
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2007
Total posts: 4061
Posted:By the time I got round to learning TTN at all, I had been completely comfortable with both butterflies. Once I got one, it took another half-hour to get the other.

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