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This Jaded Flesh
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This Jaded Flesh

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Posted:Anyone seen it? I got abit emotional towards the end and 'Dancer in the Dark' has held it's title with No.1 film to cry to for a long while. It seriously made me consider how I look at nature and our place in it. Sorta makes me feel like I'm a caretaker and I have to say I'm not doing my job properly.

"I may lack virtue, but I'm penitent"

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Fire_Moose
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Posted:i wanna do that tall blue chick...

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FireTom


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Posted:well my feelings were less suicidal or depressive, but rage (against the machine)... shrug

the movie is so close to (and yet so far away from) reality that (to me) its quite understandable...


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Noddy


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Posted:http://failblog.org/
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one of the fails explains the plot laugh3


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:Originally Posted By: Noddyhttp://failblog.org/

one of the fails explains the plot laugh3

Noddy you are actually a LEGEND!!!!!!!!! i KNEW there was a reason i cringed at this movie... millions of dollars in production and all they've done is remake pochahontas!!! LO)LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

this is the best thing i've heard all day smile


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Posted:happy to help

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FireTom


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Posted:heard rumors it got forbidden in China..........

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willworkforfoodjnr
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willworkforfoodjnr

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Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire

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Posted:But then they renamed a mountain in it's honour...

Working hard to be a wandering hippie layabout. Ten years down, five to go!

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FireTom


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Posted:might brake their back ...

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Fire_Moose
SILVER Member since May 2007

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Posted:i didnt know they have floating mountains in China

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Seaspray


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Posted:They have a little one in the Forbidden City. Emperor's (or Chairman's) use only

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death hunter


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Posted:I went to the IMAX and saw it in 3d. It was the best movie I have seen in a long time and I cant believe it has raked in 553 million

Just because people who do the right thing because it is the right thing are hard to come by doesnt mean we dont exist

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FireTom


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Posted:just recently came across an article about "Avatar (the movie) and the American Genocide"... it very much reflects the emotions I had whilst and after seeing the movie.

read the entire article here

some excerpt:

Originally Posted By: George MonbiotThe real story of what happened to Native Americans is a story no one wants to hear, because of the challenge it presents to the way we choose to see ourselves.

Avatar, James Camerons blockbusting 3-D film, is both profoundly silly and profound. Its profound because, like most films about aliens, it is a metaphor for contact between different human cultures. But in this case the metaphor is conscious and precise: this is the story of European engagement with the native peoples of the Americas. Its profoundly silly because engineering a happy ending demands a plot so stupid and predictable that it rips the heart out of the film. The fate of the native Americans is much closer to the story told in another new film, The Road, in which a remnant population flees in terror as it is hunted to extinction.

(...)

When the Spanish arrived in the Americas, they described a world which could scarcely have been more different from their own. Europe was ravaged by war, oppression, slavery, fanaticism, disease and starvation. The populations they encountered were healthy, well-nourished and mostly (with exceptions like the Aztecs and Incas) peacable, democratic and egalitarian. Throughout the Americas the earliest explorers, including Columbus, remarked on the natives' extraordinary hospitality. The conquistadores marvelled at the amazing roads, canals, buildings and art they found, which in some cases outstripped anything they had seen at home. None of this stopped them from destroying everything and everyone they encountered.

I really do not believe in inherited guilt as such - but in the ability of people to respond to challenges imposed on them by history.

The American Genocide has not been committed by Americans but Europeans. Personally I feel saddened that many Americans today rather try looking the other way than facing the truth about the history of their nation.

Nobody can turn back the clock and undo these atrocities but meet the remnants of native cultures and their representatives with respect (rather than pity) and an open dialog.


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Fugee
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Posted:I totally have to put in my 2 cents!

"seems to be an American movie" by FireTom and "DAMN YOU HOLLYWOOD" by Mr Majestik.

A Canadian director who made the movie in London using writers that weren't part of the American writers guild because they were on strike... Hmmmmm. There were some US actors in it though.


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FireTom


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Posted:*cough* thanks RC for pointing that out smile

- if you read the first line of my post, I did mention that I haven't seen it at the time I posted my comment. Neither did I research into its background.
- and I do use the term "an American movie" regardless of their origin... as for clichs that a movie serves.

This said: I'd call a movie that mainly consists of endless dialogs and is highly complicated as in "who-loves-whom-still-has-sex-with-someone-else-for-reasons-beyond-comprehension" a French movie...

Please - and this is why I put my comment under the article - understand one thing: though I'm ready to criticize the US and its culture quite often, I'm not judging individual USsians. I wouldn't consider myself anti-American at all. I just feel compelled to counter balance a culture that seems to hail itself at a superlative degree in complete disregard of the facts around it.

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But again: thanks for pointing out my ignorance regarding Avatar's production.


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Fugee
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Fugee

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Posted:I was only playing the devils advocate and pointing out that it wasn't an 'American' movie. It wasn't necessarily admonishment. Or me trying to make an argument.

By all means criticize the US, it turns me on.

In fact, I think I love you FireTom. wink


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:ok so it wasnt made in hollywood, but i would maintain it was made to hollywood standard, especially in the way its:

Originally Posted By: gorge mobiot (fire toms post)profoundly silly because engineering a happy ending demands a plot so stupid and predictable that it rips the heart out of the film.

which is a standard hollywood (and bollywood) technique. as i think i said in an earlier post, i knew the navi were going to win and i just thought 'no. this is not right. look at reality.' a braver director may have put in a more considered ending to provoke contemplation of a very important topic, but instead ran with the traditional money making (another keystone of hollywood) happy ending.

i really really hope avatar doesnt win best picture at tomorrows Oscars, another competitor is 'the hurt locker' which imo is a far better written and acted film which deals with its audience as more than a source of revenue.


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Fugee
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Fugee

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Posted:I maintain that Hollywood has no standard smile but I also maintain that it's not limited to Hollywood. It seems to be something found just as easily in Vancouver(maybe more so in Vancouver), London, Berlin, Melbourne, and on... It's debatable as to weather Hollywood set that standard or simply plays the biggest part.

To be entirely fair, I think labeling something as 'Hollywood' when the standard is in reality worldwide, seems harsh...and quite possibly anti-American. My goal was to inject a point of view I felt was overlooked.

All things aside I agree with you, Avatar was a poorly written film made for the masses. I think I will skip the Oscars because I know I will be let down in sharing hopes with you.

My personal opinion is that British filmmakers manage to distance themselves best from the "Hollywood standard" it's a shame that the gap is shortening more and more.

Next topic: 'Alice in Wonderland'


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Fine_Rabid_Dog


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Posted:Have you guys head about the deleted Na'vi sex scene?

Hope they put it on the DVD

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