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Posted:http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/20/britains-new-interne.html
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Right now I'm thinkin...
"OMG"
"WTF" and
"So we want to become china now?"
Discuss.
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Right now I'm thinkin...
"OMG"
"WTF" and
"So we want to become china now?"
Discuss.
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Posted:that sucks.
why is it acceptable for the government to declare that some forms of artwork have to be mandatorily labelled as to their suitability for kids? And why is it only some media? Why not paintings? Why not novels? Why not modern dance or ballet or opera?
Video games are marketed towards kids...
why is it acceptable for the government to declare that some forms of artwork have to be mandatorily labelled as to their suitability for kids? And why is it only some media? Why not paintings? Why not novels? Why not modern dance or ballet or opera?
Video games are marketed towards kids...
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Posted:The majority of games arn't geared towards children. Dragon Age origins isn't, Unreal Tournament 3 isn't and need I continue? And none of their advertising campaigns for them were geared to children. Because they can be played and appreciated on a different level by children doesn't make it made for them.
What I find most shocking about that article is the fact Mandelson is reaching for even more power, for god sake he has his hand up Brown's bottom isn't that enough? and the way he's going about it basicly gives him the say in anything that is related to "the net" and I mean 'anything' in the future. Hopefully and to be honest I think it will be laughed out of parliment because just has too many holes in it to be considered serious. If it gets in the next decade is going to be pretty interesting regarding the net and England.
Not sure if people really understand what the big issue is. Not sure about you guys but I for one don't want 'the last' mode of free speech get taken away from me or my fellow Britains.
What I find most shocking about that article is the fact Mandelson is reaching for even more power, for god sake he has his hand up Brown's bottom isn't that enough? and the way he's going about it basicly gives him the say in anything that is related to "the net" and I mean 'anything' in the future. Hopefully and to be honest I think it will be laughed out of parliment because just has too many holes in it to be considered serious. If it gets in the next decade is going to be pretty interesting regarding the net and England.
Not sure if people really understand what the big issue is. Not sure about you guys but I for one don't want 'the last' mode of free speech get taken away from me or my fellow Britains.
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Posted:Hm, would have been nice to actually get a link in that to the actual wording of the proposed bill, rather than a sequence of paraphrased soundbites (ooh, look at me, I can use buzzwords 
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I'd need to look at the actual proposal before getting too wound up.. Or deleting half my harddrive..
)I'd need to look at the actual proposal before getting too wound up.. Or deleting half my harddrive..
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Posted:the bill and explanitory notes
Originally Posted By: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldbills/001/en/10001x--.htm
br>Topic 2: Online infringement of copyright
Background
34. The Bill includes provision concerned with online infringement of copyright. This is particularly, but not exclusively, in response to infringement of copyright in the fields of music, film and games. The provision inserts new sections 124A to 124M in the Communications Act 2003 (the 2003 Act), which impose obligations on internet service providers (ISPs) to:
Notify their subscribers if the internet protocol (IP) addresses associated with them are reported by copyright owners as being used to infringe copyright; and
Keep track of the number of reports about each subscriber, and compile, on an anonymous basis, a list of some or all of those who are reported on. After obtaining a court order to obtain personal details, copyright owners will be able to take action against those included in the list.
35. The obligations will be underpinned by a code approved by OFCOM or, if no industry code is put forward for approval, made by OFCOM. The code will set out in detail how the obligations must be met.
36. In case the initial obligations prove insufficient to reduce significantly the level of online infringement of copyright, the provisions also grant the Secretary of State a power to impose further obligations (technical obligations) on ISPs. These would be imposed on the basis of reports from OFCOM or any other relevant considerations, and would require ISPs to take measures to limit internet access to certain subscribers. The intention is that technical measures would be used against serious repeat infringers only. Technical measures would be likely to include bandwidth capping or shaping that would make it difficult for subscribers to continue file-sharing, but other measures may also be considered. If appropriate, temporary suspension of broadband connections could be considered.
Originally Posted By: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldbills/001/en/10001x--.htm
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STRUCTURE OF THE BILL
Topic 9 is video recordings. Clauses 40 and 41 and Schedule 1 implement changes to video games classification as recommended in Safer Children in a Digital World: Byron Review 1, extending the range of video games that are subject to requirements to be age-rated and supplied only in accordance with the rating.
Originally Posted By: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldbills/001/10001.38-44.html#j601A
Subject to subsection (2) or (3) below, a video game is for the purposes
of this Act an exempted work if
5 (a) it is, taken as a whole, designed to inform, educate or instruct;
(b) it is, taken as a whole, concerned with sport, religion or music;
or
(c) it satisfies one or more of the conditions in section 2A.
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(2) The first condition is that the video game does not include any of the following
(c) depictions of criminal activity that are likely, to any extent, to stimulate or encourage the commission of offences,
(e) words or images that are likely, to any extent, to stimulate or encourage the use of alcohol or tobacco
h) words or images that are intended or likely, to any extent, to cause offence, whether on the grounds of race, gender, disability, religion or belief or sexual orientation or otherwise.
(5) The Secretary of State may by regulations amend this section
(a) by amending the first condition, or
(b)by adding a further condition (or by amending or removing such a condition).
TO ANY EXTENT.. and the secretary of state can modify or add any conditions.
for the most part (obviously i cant be bothered to read it all), it appears to relate to actual e commerce very little.
Originally Posted By: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldbills/001/en/10001x--.htm
br>Topic 2: Online infringement of copyright
Background
34. The Bill includes provision concerned with online infringement of copyright. This is particularly, but not exclusively, in response to infringement of copyright in the fields of music, film and games. The provision inserts new sections 124A to 124M in the Communications Act 2003 (the 2003 Act), which impose obligations on internet service providers (ISPs) to:
Notify their subscribers if the internet protocol (IP) addresses associated with them are reported by copyright owners as being used to infringe copyright; and
Keep track of the number of reports about each subscriber, and compile, on an anonymous basis, a list of some or all of those who are reported on. After obtaining a court order to obtain personal details, copyright owners will be able to take action against those included in the list.
35. The obligations will be underpinned by a code approved by OFCOM or, if no industry code is put forward for approval, made by OFCOM. The code will set out in detail how the obligations must be met.
36. In case the initial obligations prove insufficient to reduce significantly the level of online infringement of copyright, the provisions also grant the Secretary of State a power to impose further obligations (technical obligations) on ISPs. These would be imposed on the basis of reports from OFCOM or any other relevant considerations, and would require ISPs to take measures to limit internet access to certain subscribers. The intention is that technical measures would be used against serious repeat infringers only. Technical measures would be likely to include bandwidth capping or shaping that would make it difficult for subscribers to continue file-sharing, but other measures may also be considered. If appropriate, temporary suspension of broadband connections could be considered.
Originally Posted By: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldbills/001/en/10001x--.htm
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STRUCTURE OF THE BILL
Topic 9 is video recordings. Clauses 40 and 41 and Schedule 1 implement changes to video games classification as recommended in Safer Children in a Digital World: Byron Review 1, extending the range of video games that are subject to requirements to be age-rated and supplied only in accordance with the rating.
Originally Posted By: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldbills/001/10001.38-44.html#j601A
Subject to subsection (2) or (3) below, a video game is for the purposes
of this Act an exempted work if
5 (a) it is, taken as a whole, designed to inform, educate or instruct;
(b) it is, taken as a whole, concerned with sport, religion or music;
or
(c) it satisfies one or more of the conditions in section 2A.
...
(2) The first condition is that the video game does not include any of the following
(c) depictions of criminal activity that are likely, to any extent, to stimulate or encourage the commission of offences,
(e) words or images that are likely, to any extent, to stimulate or encourage the use of alcohol or tobacco
h) words or images that are intended or likely, to any extent, to cause offence, whether on the grounds of race, gender, disability, religion or belief or sexual orientation or otherwise.
(5) The Secretary of State may by regulations amend this section
(a) by amending the first condition, or
(b)by adding a further condition (or by amending or removing such a condition).
TO ANY EXTENT.. and the secretary of state can modify or add any conditions.
for the most part (obviously i cant be bothered to read it all), it appears to relate to actual e commerce very little.
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Posted:...welp, looks like I'll have to learn how to make do without the internet.
Balls.
Balls.
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Posted:Originally Posted By: Fine_Rabid_Dog...welp, looks like I'll have to learn how to make do without the internet.
Balls.
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Originally Posted By: Mr Universeyou cant stop the signal!
Balls.
rip hired dvds and share them at lan
Originally Posted By: Mr Universeyou cant stop the signal!
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Posted:Originally Posted By: UnscrupulousChavOffersFootWho is Ian?
It might be passed as a bill, but that won't stop people.
Originally Posted By: mjkrip hired dvds and share them at lan
copyright is a bit of a joke really, may i recommend watching "Rip:a remix manefesto"?
It might be passed as a bill, but that won't stop people.
Originally Posted By: mjkrip hired dvds and share them at lan
copyright is a bit of a joke really, may i recommend watching "Rip:a remix manefesto"?
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Posted:They also imply that you will pay 6 on top of your line rental wheather you have broadband or not as a tax to fund next gen broadband. Which btw they will only have 90% of the country covered at speeds of 2MB by 2012. Seriously, the next thin he will think of is you needing a license to use broadband.
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Posted:Yeah... What a bunch of wankers, trying to stop people stealing films/music/games etc and costing the industries millions.
Soon they will be saying it's wrong to steal cars or take a TV from a shop without paying for it... Whatever next?
Agree that they may be going a bit OTT on it, but other methods have not worked, so what's left to do?
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Quote:"This plan won't stop copyright infringement and with a simple accusation could see you and your family disconnected from the internet - unable to engage in everyday activities like shopping and socialising,"
This guy can't be serious.
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Soon they will be saying it's wrong to steal cars or take a TV from a shop without paying for it... Whatever next?
Agree that they may be going a bit OTT on it, but other methods have not worked, so what's left to do?
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Quote:"This plan won't stop copyright infringement and with a simple accusation could see you and your family disconnected from the internet - unable to engage in everyday activities like shopping and socialising,"
This guy can't be serious.
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Posted:Quote:[...]Nothing about getting Britain's poorest connected to the net.
I wasn't aware that getting poorer people online is on the goverments agenda, or should be?
There is life without the internet. I would suggest that there is a much more interesting life outside the internet.
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I wasn't aware that getting poorer people online is on the goverments agenda, or should be?
There is life without the internet. I would suggest that there is a much more interesting life outside the internet.
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Posted:Originally Posted By: T-S-AYeah... What a bunch of wankers, trying to stop people stealing films/music/games etc and costing the industries millions.
generally they make a profit within the first few weeks of going on sale. so you cant say it costs industry millions, it 'costs' them potential profit above what they've already made, so in effect it costs them nothing. they are already ahead.
but on a wider scale, copyright (which is what the bill is about) is really a burden on humanities growth for the profit of (generally) companies. its actually a fairly new concept, originally a copyright was only able to be held for 15 years, nowadays companies can hold copyright for longer than the average human lifespan, limiting the concept or creations use to further societal causes. this is especially important when you start looking at medical and other scientific technology.
generally they make a profit within the first few weeks of going on sale. so you cant say it costs industry millions, it 'costs' them potential profit above what they've already made, so in effect it costs them nothing. they are already ahead.
but on a wider scale, copyright (which is what the bill is about) is really a burden on humanities growth for the profit of (generally) companies. its actually a fairly new concept, originally a copyright was only able to be held for 15 years, nowadays companies can hold copyright for longer than the average human lifespan, limiting the concept or creations use to further societal causes. this is especially important when you start looking at medical and other scientific technology.
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Posted:It's not just about copyright. It's about one person getting too much unchecked power, it's about the one last place we can all say and do what we like being destroyed, it's about finaly letting the government in our homes and letting them tell us what we may do, think, feel. It's about them inteffering where they have no right. If all you can see is the copyright issues that this won't solve because as you agree the same methods elsewhere haven't worked. Then I hope when it comes to the crunch there are few like you to fight against.
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Posted:Did any of you read this report? Not sure it's relevant but there's a 50% chance it might be!
Disconnections Breach of EU Law
In any case it's a light in these dark times
Disconnections Breach of EU Law
In any case it's a light in these dark times
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Posted:Originally Posted By: T-S-AQuote:[...]Nothing about getting Britain's poorest connected to the net.
I wasn't aware that getting poorer people online is on the goverments agenda, or should be?
There is life without the internet. I would suggest that there is a much more interesting life outside the internet.
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Guess that answers your question lol Seems even the government is accepting the internet is just something else that has become everyday life.
I wasn't aware that getting poorer people online is on the goverments agenda, or should be?
There is life without the internet. I would suggest that there is a much more interesting life outside the internet.
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Guess that answers your question lol Seems even the government is accepting the internet is just something else that has become everyday life.
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