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Tide
GOLD Member since Jun 2009

Future pyrotechnician...? Or something.
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Austr...

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Posted:Alrighty, this has probably been asked a billion times but I couldn't find my answer. I'm looking for a fuel that I can use indoor that I don't necessarily have to order over the internet - I'm leaving that as a last resort, and I'm thinking Firewater.

Alternatively; here's what I've tried.

Kerosene - Too smoky during and after burning, the amount of smoke given off is awful.

Methylated spirits - Never got a proper chance to test this, but I found it easy to put out towards its later burn (possibly a pro) and it lights really, really easily. Close to no smoke. Only smokes when put out, barely any then.

Pure Paraffin - Horrible. Pretty much fire retardant.

So, what fuels could I buy without having to travel/order over the internet that's good for indoor performance on the poi?

Thanks ahead!


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Posted:you're located in NSW and have troubles locating Shellite? Low odor kerosene? umm best stuff I've come across...

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Tide
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Posted:Ah, I forgot to mention. I do know about Shellite. What is that? I've heard that it's like methylated spirits. Have you used indoors before?

Low odor kerosene seems to cost 1.5 to 3 times as much as odored, so I don't bother, but is it smokeless and largely scentless, good for indoors?

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ElectricBlue
GOLD Member since Feb 2002

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Location: Canberra, Australia

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Posted:Shellite indoors? that sounds pretty scary to me, Shellite has a freaky low flash point and transfers onto things that you may hit or splash with out going out and even if you are really careful the risk is still high.

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Charlie Fox
PLATINUM Member since Jun 2006

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Location: West Auck, NZ, New Zealand

Total posts: 156
Posted:Find Iso-Parrafin oil, a.k.a. Pegasol 3440.

None of the other Pegasol's are suitable, nor are any of the equivilents like Shelsol T.

The trouble with meths (and all other Alcohol based fuels) is a very weak flame, i.e. not very bright (unless of course you use some of the color salts sold by HoP)


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Cyricx
GOLD Member since Sep 2006

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Location: Kansas City, MO, USA

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Posted:smokeless, odorless, sootless lamp oil (parraffin)

or

Naptha (coleman's camp fuel), if the ventilation is real good.


I prefer naptha, because if I do have any spray and don't get the heads completely spun off before burning, it doesn't have the heavy oil base that makes the floor slippery, and it evaporates so quickly.

Either way, it should only be done in like auditoriums or such. With high ceilings and serious ventilation.

That's my opinions anyway. smile


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natasqi


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Posted:WA uses Recosol G which doesn't smell, tastes ok and doesn't smoke very much. It's an industrial cleaner so we get it wholesale from.. some place.

I don't know if there is anything comparable is NSW, you'd have to contact cleaning agencies and get samples and MSDS.

I would vote against Shellite if you haven't used it before because unlike Recosol/Kero, you can't dip it stuff and it's v hot and leaves trails.
Great for fire eating acts, bad for everyday spinning, especialy inside.

Great Shellite scare story - my close friend Stu was using Shellite (not in a gig, just practicing) and didn't know you couldn't dip lit stuff. He put some lit sticks in and the container went up (plastic). For some reason he thought that maybe the fuel would explode so he tipped the burning fuel out all over the ground. tongue2

Luckiy someone else was watching and smothered it all with a towel.


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Tide
GOLD Member since Jun 2009

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Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Austr...

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Posted:So... here's a list of things from hardware stores within a few minute's walk or drive from me:

Kerosene Too smoky
Odorless Kerosene Not tried yet
Methylated spirits Wimpy flame, but impressively bright when coloured
Shellite Not tried yet
Pure paraffin Fire retardant, can even be used to douse wicks

Now, about those other things... I've always wondered where they get these Brandname-X Formula-Y things, where do you get them from?


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Charlie Fox
PLATINUM Member since Jun 2006

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Burinating the village like Trogdor
Location: West Auck, NZ, New Zealand

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Posted:Find the manufacturer and contact their information line, Pegasol 3440 is made/sold by Mobil, so get ye olde yellow pages, give em a call, and ask where you can source it from.

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natasqi


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Posted:Recosol G is sold by Recochem.com.au - so says google...

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Charlie Fox
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Charlie Fox

Burinating the village like Trogdor
Location: West Auck, NZ, New Zealand

Total posts: 156
Posted:Originally Posted By: natasqiRecosol G is sold by Recochem.com.au - so says google...

Looks like good stuff, similar, but better than Pegasol 3440, both are an Iso-Parrafinic fluid.

MSDS

Though you will be stuck buying a 20 or 200L container unless you find a company who can/does decant, though, in NZ it is the same story with Peg, i typically buy in 20 or 60L drums and the on sell to friends who want it in 1L containers.


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JayKitty
GOLD Member since Nov 2004

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Mission: Ignition
Location: Central New Jersey, USA

Total posts: 534
Posted:parrafin isnt flame retardant, it just has a low flash point and gets everything all oily. Naptha is alright. Coleman's is good. It has a bit of smoke, but if people are expecting a fire show, they should expect a bit of a smell for a while after. Just open a few windows or doors.

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