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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Location: athens greece
Member Since: 16th Oct 2009
Total posts: 50
Posted:hello guys

i m looking info of how i can exhale fire but not doing fire breathing

check the intro of this video



does anyone have idea about it?


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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Location: athens greece
Member Since: 16th Oct 2009
Total posts: 50
Posted:Firetom>
i m doing strict juggling shows(Fire/pois etc), strict fetish(NOT BDSM) or strict cabaret(and not porn and of course i m not a stripper lol),sometimes i mix them because is more interesting as show! I have inspired from torture garden,also i had performed for them when they came in greece.

when i mean fetish it has do with various parafilias,like medical fetish(piercings-needles,taking blood etc),scenes from horror movies...and the show are more theatrical with script.
few photos during the show:
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I m not really interesting if people judge me,i am what am and i love what i m doing,no one has force me to do it.I just love art and all the forms!i like to construct things,to draw,playing piano and many other stuff

about payment,when i m going to an event that invite me this is my price.I m doing 8-40min shows and leave (you can't get more than 200e in any club/festival except if you are famous)
When i m organizing events in athens with various shows then i m doing door deals, but i have to do the whole advertising work by myself!

No you cant live only from this,i m working as graphic-web designer about 7years and i m well paid for this!also i have finish marketing/advertising (www.dvinearts.com/enter.html my site-its not ready yet)

I think that are enough about me!
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"It requires practice in order not to harm yourself - during which you *will* harm your self. Two ways: you enjoy the process or you charge for it when doing a show."

i always enjoy the fire playing,i have spend many hours/days/months..practicing and looking stuff on the net!And that's why i become a member to this forum to find answer to my questions and meet other jugglers.

I still haven't try tongue,but i m going to test it hoho

I m lucky about health stuff! i have never drink alcohol (only redbulls lol) never smoke and i eat healthy stuff!

"who are willing to sacrifice in order to "get somewhere" or to "enjoy attention"."

i dont care about the organizers,i have a book with my shows and they know very well what they re going to see.Also i don't accept to do show if i haven't test the scene i ll appear!
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JayKitty>
I thought she touched her tongue,transfer the fire and light up the other torch :S
I m asking so i dont make many mistakes! i ll try it , i hope i ll get the results i want smirk

question: they have told me to drink milk after fire eating to dont get damage my teeth,is it help?


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Mynci
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Posted:The damage to your teeth from Fire eating is done by the extreme heat which damages the enamel covering of the teeth. Milk is often used before fire breathing in case of small amounts of fuel ingestion I can imagine the reason is the same for eating. Milk won't do a great deal for your enamel though wink but it could be used to rinse any fuel out of your mouth as most fuel is alcohol or oil based so will not mix with water based drinks, Milk is a fat base so should help to emulsify oils.

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Location: athens greece
Member Since: 16th Oct 2009
Total posts: 50
Posted:i see about the heat, i have to try to exhale when i m doing it ...I guess doing that stuff 2 times the month you dont have so serious problems

So you suggest to drink milk after fire eating?
it helps to abort the fuel from the mouth?
drink or wash my mouth and spit milk?


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Charlie Fox
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Posted:Ahem, yes, apologies for the chem lesson, i tend to get over technical, and unfortunately on the net one cannot see eyes glazing over wink

Milk is not going to save your teeth from this. In fact, anything that generates saliva (like eating/drinking) raises the acidity in your mouth and weakens enamel.

Though really in terms of heat deflection, the enamel is unlikely, in any state, to save you from the heat soak which causes the damage.

Today i made a startling revelation, my sense of taste, and therefore smell has been adversely affected by only 2 years of eating fire. So right now i am seriously considering either quitting fire eating, or doubling my rate... then again you really can't put a price on a bodily sense now can you...


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FireTom
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Posted:yea - also apologies if I came across like old ... no judgment reg the environment or genre you're performing ... been there and done some acts. charged the same as you (6 yrs ago) did nothing remotely as dangerous or "appealing" (which is in the eye of the beholder)....

I shall hope you enjoy what you do - other it ain't worth it (tribute to Charlie's post especially)

Personally I have so far not come across a sane performer exposing her/himself this much, who has not significantly raised his prices. But I've come across a great number of organizers who just don't give a .... whether I'd drop dead - unless it's on their premises.


the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink

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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Location: athens greece
Member Since: 16th Oct 2009
Total posts: 50
Posted:charlie fox>
hm so drink or not drink milk is the same?

how often you did fire eating??? :S :S :S

Firetom> as i told you tom,no one gives more than 200euros and this is happening and in huge festivals like wasteland and others! i know because they have suggest me to perform!Except if you re doing something very extreme like lesbian,piercings and other...
Maybe it depends in which country you performing! You are from nz so you have nz dolars?i see that 200euros are 400 nz dollars!!

anyway do you have any site or videos? i d love to see your work!



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Charlie Fox
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Posted:Originally Posted By: Ms Vanitycharlie fox>
hm so drink or not drink milk is the same?

how often you did fire eating??? :S :S :S


anyway do you have any site or videos? i d love to see your work!




Regarding milk, personally i do not see how either way it could have a noticeable effect, you could ask a dentist, but i'm pretty sure they'd have strong opinions about putting fire in the mouth, i know mine does wink

I Fire eat around 3-4 times a month, sometimes more.

I do have a website, the link is in my profile, however all of the vids are oooooooold, but if you check the links page of my site you will find my youtube channel which has some newer ones smile

NZ$400 is very reasonable, for me a basic fire performance is NZ$250, to involve eating is/was NZ$300 and fire Breathing is/was NZ$500+ All prices per hour or part there-of, they tend to be a one 5-15min set, or a 1 hour burn.


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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Posted:charlie fox>hmm good idea,i ll ask a dentist too!

wow many times! i have fire eat 0-4 times the months..depends of how many fire shows i have!i m doing and uv shows,fetish..etc but fire is my best!

send me your links grin

yes they are reasonable,i m curious about "firetom" how much he get tongue2

well in nz $$$ i get 200-400 depends the show and how much time i ll be onstage!

i m not doing fire breathing so i dont charge more for fire shows,but i m doing various dangerous stuff like needles (Through skin) with fire , in this case i charge more!


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FireTom
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Posted:though "semi retired" I occasionally still perform.

not sure where you take from that I'm a Kiwi.... I'm a Kraut wink

I don't do lesbian either wink well... for obvious reasons. And I'm not into inflicting pain on someone else, neither on myself. Regular spin - oldskool, 3 sets within 2 hrs and I usually charge between 2 and 500 depending on the occasion with 500 for x-mas/nye, corporate around 300... hang on just recntly I was spinning at a local arts and crafts market for a hundred - but that was as a replacement for a friend that fell sick... 1 set in a par de deux for about 20 min's. No breathing no eating - because I ain't do this stuff either.

Before that the last time I did a gig in Europe has been .... ages ago. My website is an ancient script and (as I said) I'm semi retired after 13 years of spinning and 5 years of performing.

I spin because I enjoy spinning - the audience appreciation is neither substitute nor replacement for money being paid at venues. I had my fair share of the 5 minutes of fame... it's nice but just a superficial boost for the ego. I've seen myself on video and everytime I went: dope, that and this and there...

there is an inflationary amount of spinners... there has been 5 yrs ago and for years we had the fact of people coming to festivals, bringing their own fuel and still paying for their entrance... so maybe it's much harder to get these rates today, given that. I was even told once "fireperformers? we don't pay for fireperfromers on our festival - they come anyway...."

the biggest problem with that always is the liability. but most spinners don't know or don't care. we had loong discussions about this and most fail to realize that it is that what brings the market and safety standards down... but I'm over discussing the reasons and effects of "penny spinners on festivals".

maybe it'd be better if you start spreading your range, perform internationally and outside Europe...


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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Posted:2hours? that's a long time!! i usually perform 7-40min maximum!
the last time i performed it was for a band,15minutes of dance with fire and not and i get 160$nz...

well you got a lot of experience! i m doing dancing lessons for many years,but i m performing about 3!

i never accept to pay to enter a club or fest i m performing or performed in the past...about what you re saying (performers that doing it for free) they are girls in athens that they re doing for free or in very low prices...anyway i m a professional and i prefer to stay home than do something for free!

i had some requests for europe,but i dont know...i m a little bit afraid to travel alone and i want to know well the organizers,to talk with people that have co-operated..or to go with a 2nd performer or dj..


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FireTom
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Posted:3 sets within 2 hours time each set not lasting longer than 15 minutes...

do research online, ask fellow (international) performers, be aware that your sensual part of the shows might be accepted in Europe and US but once off these shores you might face different attitudes, have your own website.

You seem to be good with English (which I found rare with Greek) so already you got some advantage. But sure you can walk the beaten track, get a boyfriend DJ, organizer, agent or travelmate who looks after you and backs you up if necessary...

I don't mind freebies, only most people don't do it for the fun but the recognition... crowd addicts. wink

The number(of year)s doesn't matter too much. What matters is your self-confidence (which might only come over the years... but these days it's all about...

recycling the past, painting over the ugly parts and selling it for more than it's worth... or simply go out, be your self, be all you can be and never mind the rest... wink

best of luck for you smile


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Ms Vanity
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Location: athens greece
Member Since: 16th Oct 2009
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Posted:oh ok!!!! 15minutes its cool , fire performances are exhausting!one of the reasons that i m mixing parts hoho

Yes that's what i was thinking to do grin ask others about big festivals and stuff....About the sensual part is one of my fears,in greece few stupid people thinks that i work as stripper or something and have no idea about the difference of a sexy performer and a stripper :S

about my English i m still laughing hahahah i dont know very well,never learned grammar or something...i was prefer to drawing at school and not watching the English lessons lol i m thinking to start English lessons because i cannot even write a blog with correct English.

I got a boyfriend dj and he's excellent at his work.I have already suggest him to coming with me but he's still afraid airplanes !!!Also I want to finish with my promo work,get few good videos with fire,under black light and then contact with various promoters/organizers!I have few with bad quality from cellphones smirk

About the site i need time to make one! i have a stupid one for my graphic-web design work and it isn't ready yet (www.dvinearts.com/enter.html)

Recognition...tell me about it!!!! its good your audience like what you re doing but the bad is to become your one and only purpose!

thank you grin


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FireTom
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Posted:there are a lot of crazy people out there. some of them don't like themselves. difficult to beat them, apart from jumping out of an airplane and lighting the shute in mid-air.

there is nothing wrong with being a stripper... but a lot with being stupid. there is nothing wrong with being your one and only purpose either, as long as that includes senseless acts of beauty and random kindness.

wink


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Ms Vanity
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Posted:sry for beeing offline, i had a lot of stuff to do

i have a photo from "fire transfer" using my tongue!


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it'a start!


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:ubblove

im not sure if this adheres to family friendly, but i dont care grin awesome look, awesome pic!


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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Posted:thank you grin hoho

the photo is from my latest show !

i ve started like that:

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JayKitty
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Posted:Avoid milk for fire eating. Go with cold water to cool your mouth a bit before you go on. It doesn't do much, but it's something. Chap stick helps heal your lips after. Over winter break I'm going to make those fire eating lessons I've been talking about. They will cover everything from making your own torches, different wicks, transfers, vapor tricks, and all the bad things it can do to you, lol.

Don't mind me, just passing through.

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Ms Vanity
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Posted:thank you grin what is "chap stick"?

i think the "vapor stuff" is the more difficult

check this -new- video of me

while i was fire eating, i exhale a small amount of fire&it wasn't in the program!




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Posted:Ms Vanity.

Fire eating is unhealthy too! very unhealthy. The most popular fuel for vapor tricks like that are naptha based. naptha causes cancer! It also absorbs through your skin very quickly, and is of course even worse on mucus membranes such as your mouth.

Dont just use a fuel, know what you are doing to your body before you do something stupid.


And ok, I might get a lot of hate for this, but...

I just watched your latest video, and your performance is trash.
I have nothing against burlesque or stripping, and I have nothing against burlesque dancers using fire arts to enhance their performances.

What I have a problem with is people disrespecting arts that people put a lot of time into.

I am going to ignore the obvious that fire performance really doesnt have a place in your act, and move on to the not so obvious.

Your "burlesque" was terrible. you cant dance, you can barely eat fire. your lack of choreography was apparent, your lack of commitment to your movement made it unbearable. you attempted a middle split in your routine, but you dont have your middle splits, it was laughable.

when you are on stage, dont attempt skills you know you dont have. go home and stretch some more, take some dance classes, watch some GOOD videos online and imitate them.

People dedicate their lives to these arts, and you shat all over them.

yes, im sure you get tons of great appreciation from men far and wide. you know why? because you objectify yourself. you get on stage and make it seem as though you are simply there to satisfy them. they dont like you art, they like the fact that you show them your ass, and they will tell you it was great so you keep showing them your ass.

You behave on this forum precisely how you behave on stage, and its gross.

I hope you learn to respect yourself, and artforms that people dedicate years and years too.

people should really do their research into the arts they are trying to imitate before they imitate those arts.

Boom!

Hate if you want. Im just keepin it real.

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EDIT_REASON: just saw the autrocious video


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UCOF
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Posted:umm

But I like ass. frown


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Tankboy
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Posted:As do I, but ass is not art.

Sometimes it can be used for art.

But most of the time ass is just ass.


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Posted:Wooo!

Go ass! grin

It's both art and not art, at the same time.

Surely that means it's awesomeness is obvious, and as such, doesn't need any explanation or justification?


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Posted:Contributing to epic thread.

Tankboy, pipe down.

Moar ass pl0x?


The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

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JayKitty
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Posted:Is there some kind of language barrier?

Don't mind me, just passing through.

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Posted:
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JayKitty
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Posted:I mean with Ms. Vanity. Not as an insult, but like, I thought I expained most things well, but some things she didn't get. If english isn't a first language it might be hard to get what we say.

Nice pic btw, lol


Don't mind me, just passing through.

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Ms Vanity
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Location: athens greece
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Posted:First of all, i dont have problem with anyone's opinion,that's why forum are,to get opinion and learn more

secondly, try not to judge from one video,i have many others with fire/grind shows











third, i have done many years of dance as modern jazz,free balet,free style,oriental...and 2 years of karate lol
this isn't a dancing video but performance with few dancing moves, that was my purpose

fourth i know how to fire eat and i m asking here to improve what i m doing.I m using naphtha for fire eating and paraffin for torches/fire fingers/fire umbrella...

Also i m working as performer about 5years and i have worked with big names at greece and well know festivals as torture garden,bands,artists,djs etc
At march I ll be at france for a big festival and they have book me until summer (And i dont think this is happening because of my cute ass)

thank you all!


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Tankboy
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Posted:I rest my case.

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Ms Vanity
Ms Vanity

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Posted:JayKitty> The truth is that i don't know very well english but i can understand perfectly...i m missing only words!

Ok about cold water i ll try it,i ve checked the chap stick, i knew it as lip balm !

I haven't any problem yet, with fire eating since i m using my handmade torches with zip oil.They are making nice effect to the ground when you start the down swing,a small circle of fire that lasts about 5-10seconds

Now the vapor trick is more difficult.
I made a small one by accident.I was going to fire eat and i didn't close my lips enough (cutting off oxygen) or do a quick exhaling breath to extinguish the flame...i left the torch into my mouth for 1-2 secs and i exhaled slow and flame was going out...

something else i wanted to ask!
I bought a paraffin from the market that in greek writting "paraffin" and i ve checked the instructions and it wrotes "naptha". My partner that checked it, she could do bigger fire breathing with this oil!


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Ms Vanity
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Posted:-Fine_Rabid_Dog-: lol,you can find photos of me in those links:

www.modeling.gr/vanityanneal
www.myspace.com/vanityanneal
www.facebook.com/vanityanneal

and i ve add today few photos at hop
http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=99691&cat=500&password=


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