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bentforkx
GOLD Member since Oct 2007

bentforkx

Should I be spinning around my poi, or should my poi be spinning around me???
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada

Total posts: 42
Posted:Hello all,
I'm interested in everyone's fire poi experiences in front of an audience, I've noticed that very complicated movements quite often go unappreciated by the average audience, while simple movements quite often get the "ooohs and aaaahs".
What kind of moves do you perform to get the "wow factor" from the audience? I do understand there is more to a performance than standing there rifling off trick, after trick, after trick, and that movement/transition play a major part in the fire poi performance, but I am very interested in your perspective.
Thanks

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aston
SILVER Member since Dec 2007

aston

Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
Location: South Africa

Total posts: 4061
Posted:I have noticed that moves that I dislike often get a fair amount of applause.

Stuff like lying down and doing a buzzsaw. Things in that general vein. (Do that behind you, stand p and carry on with grace and I will be impressed though. :P)

Otherwise. Um.... Lots of wraps. Isolated buzzsaws. Butterflied Antispin Extension Hybrids (triquetras or whatever they are otherwise called). Probably Ollies....


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Fire_Moose
SILVER Member since May 2007

Fire_Moose

Elusive and Bearded
Location: Scottsdale, AZ, USA

Total posts: 3597
Posted:Staff wise.....

the Helix burn off ALWAYS gets the "WOW!"

duck outs while on the ground, like rolling into them....if that makes sence

and hands in the pockets halos bouncing back and forth...as well as hands in the pockets jesus'


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duvan


duvan

ancient oachkatzlschwoaf
Location: germany

Total posts: 249
Posted:poi wise:
- jumps & 3-4 pirouettes in a row give you quite a few "oh's" and "ah's"
- orbitals
- throws
- wraps!!!!!zomg!
- doing a between the legs behind the back spiral wrap whilst farting

staff wise:
- between the leg
- lying down/ standing up whilst spinning
- throws
- double staffs crossed like an + headspin


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chemairo
SILVER Member since Sep 2008

person who like to spin all gears
Location: Germany - Dsseldorf

Total posts: 62
Posted: think for poi it is also the Buzzsaw, and of course the Antispin Flower

and for staff it is maybe an isolation, when you have got one big flame which is coming nearly your face


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MRC
SILVER Member since Jun 2008

MRC

Funky Blessings Daily
Location: , USA

Total posts: 215
Posted:any burst of flame, anytime you are on fire, anytime fire is close to genitals or face, contact with the wick, and huge swings with a rope dart.

It's unfortunate that EASY and often unsatisfying tricks are the things that they enjoy heartily.

However it's still just good stuff to incorporate.


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Mother_Natures_Son
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

Mother_Natures_Son

Rampant whirler.
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!

Total posts: 2418
Posted:For me most of the 'wow' factor tends to come from combinations.

Something followed by a movement in which the audience cannot see the poi heads brings their attention to me before I bring the poi back in front of me to form some kind of interesting pattern. Horizontal line isolation has been something I use a bit because I can see over the pattern and maintain eye contact with the audience.

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Perky
GOLD Member since Jul 2008

Perky

Total Randomness'
Location: S.E Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 12
Posted:The thing that gets the best reaction for me is using Double Sraff's, & adding a summersalt & a fire breath. Crowds seem to love it.

Fire is Life

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eatsumskittles


stranger
Location: Colorado

Total posts: 6
Posted:The reason that the simple tricks get the attention is purely because you make them look a lot smoother and easier. I have a friend that started at the same time as me and we know the same things the fact that i can flow better when i do them gets all the crowds attention.

my favorite crowd pleaser is to go from the 3 beat into the weave crossers doing an extention into waistwraps to a full body meltdown.


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FireTom


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Total posts: 6650
Posted:hmmm that's always been a matter of debate... for one is:

the (non-expert) audience has no destinction between "easy" and "complicated" moves - it all is on what it looks like...

as eatsumskittles said: easy moves look smooth, complicated moves look - well "complicated"... and strenious.

shrug

I found that smiling generally improves the response of the audience, no matter whether I just whacked myself really hard or not wink


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hamamelis
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

hamamelis

nut.
Location: Bouncing off the walls., Engla...

Total posts: 756
Posted:It's largely in how much you play it up, how much crowd reaction you get..
If you make something look *too* easy, and show no reaction yourself to what you're doing, the audience will probably not react, almost regardless of how technically good the trick is- different for a crowd who knows how hard what it is you're doing, yes, but for a mixed group people subconciously rely on the performer (and others around them) to tell them what's worth being impressed by...

So.. what gives a 'wow' factor in my view is mainly the performer, not the move wink

That said, large amounts of fire do tend to make people go 'Oooh'..


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ryan crownover


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Total posts: 7
Posted:doing 5 or 3 beats while spinning maybe jumping wraps and also going into almost hand wraps to shorten the changes and going into short chain poi besides that difrent props like fire snakes and im about to make a pair of poi that will have flames the size of soccer balls and spinning in front of small children like my 2 year old nephew helps too

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JayKitty
GOLD Member since Nov 2004

JayKitty

Mission: Ignition
Location: Central New Jersey, USA

Total posts: 534
Posted:I did a fire poi spin for some mates who have never seen poi before. I broke it all out... Waistwraps, bounces, even caught the poi and did a breath off of it. Did btb and between the legs, flowers and stalls. At the end of it I was out of breath but I thought it was a great run. And then they came up to me and each of them told me that they really liked the part where they were short and spinning in a cirlce close to my face...

I think I died a bit inside that day.


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Durbs
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England

Total posts: 5688
Posted:laugh3 Ahhhh, yes - been there, done that.

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Mr_Chutney
SILVER Member since Apr 2003

Mr_Chutney

Tosser
Location: Herefordshire, England (UK)

Total posts: 1711
Posted:Jay Kitty: Yep... good shout smile UGH!

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ElectricStapler


newbie
Location: Go

Total posts: 33
Posted:3 beat weave, do it fast grin

...seriously


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Fire_Moose
SILVER Member since May 2007

Fire_Moose

Elusive and Bearded
Location: Scottsdale, AZ, USA

Total posts: 3597
Posted:i'm still surprised how little reaction an angel roll gets...

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Raoul_Hagenbeek
GOLD Member since Jun 2009

Raoul_Hagenbeek

Pyromancer extraordinair
Location: Netherlands

Total posts: 88
Posted:I think the weaves, spirals and buzzsaws have the most wow factor. And the flowers do well, when they take pictures. But they mostly see these afterwards...

What is life, without a little risk!

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_Poiboy_
GOLD Member since Jan 2004

_Poiboy_

bastard child of satan
Location: Raanana, Israel

Total posts: 1113
Posted:Originally Posted By: Pojei'm still surprised how little reaction an angel roll gets...

so sad, yet so true =\

with staff I find that people love duckouts, especially any groundwork.
prayer steves get a good reaction as well.

with poi I'd have to say uberloops, isolations, and fast flowers tend to get a really good reaction.


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JayKitty
GOLD Member since Nov 2004

JayKitty

Mission: Ignition
Location: Central New Jersey, USA

Total posts: 534
Posted:I'm shocked how little people like contact staff, I had to explain to someone how amazing it was that the spinner had been spinning for about a minute without actually TOUCHING the staff. I recently did some spinning on the beach with my glorious new flow toys and by far people love uberloops the best. I think spiral wraps got a good reaction too looking at your avatar poi boy.

Don't mind me, just passing through.

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_Poiboy_
GOLD Member since Jan 2004

_Poiboy_

bastard child of satan
Location: Raanana, Israel

Total posts: 1113
Posted:thanks JayKitty but that's a wall plane flower variation (the one where you cross and uncross your arms), I just got lucky with the photo's timing grin

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DaG
GOLD Member since Jun 2005

DaG

Golf buggie driving instructor
Location: Brisvegas, Australia

Total posts: 156
Posted:Its really interesting that contact staff doesnt get a great response from crowds. I think its because it's really low energy. There is this thing rolling aroung you , but the movements of the person doing it are usually smooth and controlled, possibly tai chi like, but what we see with many of these WOW moves is people respond to speed and energy.

I think thats why feicha can be used well in performance, because the sound that it creates adds to the energy of the performance and puts excitment into the prop... because its loud.
hmmm... weird ... really simple. maybe i'll put symbols on my staff.




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Raoul_Hagenbeek
GOLD Member since Jun 2009

Raoul_Hagenbeek

Pyromancer extraordinair
Location: Netherlands

Total posts: 88
Posted:Okay, for a wow factor, I'd say that the fans are actually my WoW-iest toy.

I lit them up last weekend and people were in awe the moment I had five burning wicks on my fan. I kept them together for lighting and after a few spins I split them one to each hand, people again WoW-ed when they saw me with two fans instead of one.

Then the spinning and dancing act, combined with a few martial arts jumps/kicks and stances made it a definite winner of the evening.

The poi and staff were a close second. Staff mostly because I used it to do some fire breathing aswell. But indeed the contact moves didn't get the wow I expected.


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Yorkshire
SILVER Member since Feb 2007

Yorkshire

newbie
Location: Springfield, MO in the county ...

Total posts: 33
Posted:Well I think people who aren't WOWed by contact staff are dumb and can't appreciate the time and skill it takes to do a simple matrix, or fishtail! I've had people come up to me after a performance(with fire), and say that,"that's easy and that they could do that!" STUPID! My drunk poi buddy just ended up getting into this guys face and kept trying to hand the man her sock poi...dude wouldn't even take them! She just called him a stupid p*ssy in front of everyone! Made him look real cool! LOL!

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aston
SILVER Member since Dec 2007

aston

Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
Location: South Africa

Total posts: 4061
Posted:It is not that they are dumb. They are ignorant. Which is a big difference.

That difference lies in how things look to a lay person. Contact is slow, done well it is done with a lot of control. That sort of thing is generally viewed as easy by someone who has never tried.

It is very similar to something like ballet: a *lot* of effort goes into looking effortless. Which does not always come across.

What a muggle will react to is something that looks dangerous (whether it is or not) and something that looks hard. Whether it looks hard because it is hard or whether it looks hard because that is how it looks (for example, I find hand tracers with my right hand tracing hard. That does not mean that it looks hard). The other thing, especially with fire, is that it is viewed as dangerous. Even though most people are fairly low risk.

It is actually very similar to climbing, now that I have thought about it a bit more. It is safe, but looks really cool because it looks so not-safe. *shrug*

Only education will help on that front.


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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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Mother_Natures_Son
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

Mother_Natures_Son

Rampant whirler.
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!

Total posts: 2418
Posted:I've practiced in front of muggles while having a chat before, so this usually means a lot of techy stuff, because that means I don't have to move around a whole lot, I can stay facing one direction. I can stand there doing stuff that would get a pretty good reaction out of you guys, but it was a very simple pirouette that got the reaction from the muggles.

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_Poiboy_
GOLD Member since Jan 2004

_Poiboy_

bastard child of satan
Location: Raanana, Israel

Total posts: 1113
Posted:Originally Posted By: aston
What a muggle will react to is something that looks dangerous (whether it is or not) and something that looks hard.

That's the weird thing, they tend to react to anything that looks dangerous, that mostly being fire close to your body, and yet moves where the staff actually touches your body get little to no reaction.

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