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Written by : US national library of medicine ~1998
RESULTS: During the one-year study period, 88,649 firearm deaths were reported. Overall firearm mortality rates are five to six times higher in HI and UMI countries in the Americas (12.72) than in Europe (2.17), or Oceania (2.57) and 95 times higher than in Asia (0.13).
The rate of firearm deaths in the United States (14.24 per 100,000) exceeds that of its economic counterparts (1.76) eightfold and that of UMI countries (9.69) by a factor of 1.5.
Suicide and homicide contribute equally to total firearm deaths in the US, but most firearm deaths are suicides (71%) in HI countries and homicides (72%) in UMI countries.
CONCLUSIONS: Firearm death rates vary markedly throughout the industrialized world. Further research to identify risk factors associated with these variations may help improve prevention efforts.
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In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49
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Gunshot wounds inpact severely on the criminal justice as well as health care systems. Some basic statistics are important in understanding the magnitude and severity of the social and economic burden to the U.S.
In the U.S. for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death:
Suicide 16,869; Homicide 11,348; Accident 802; Legal Intervention 323; Undetermined 231.(CDC, 2004)
This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S.
The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, but has since declined steadily.(CDC, 2001) However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2004).
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S.
Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000.
The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)
The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The U.S. national average was 10.3 deaths per 100,000 population in 2001. The highest rate was 34.5/100,000 for African-American males, more than double the rate of 16.3/100,000 for white males and well above the rate of 2.7/100,000 for white females. (CDC, 2004)
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Firearms were the instrument of death in over 80 percent of teen homicides and about half of teen suicides in 2004.2
While almost one in four youth firearm injuries results in death, nonfirearm injuries result in death in only one out of every 760 cases.3
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Written by : Lurch
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the guns in Columbine were stolen were they not?
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"Robyn Anderson, a friend of Klebold and Harris, bought the shotguns and the Hi-Point 9mm Carbine at The Tanner Gun Show in December of 1998 from unlicensed sellers.
Because Anderson purchased the guns for someone else, the transition constituted an illegal "straw purchase."
Klebold and Harris bought the TEC-DC9 from a pizza shop employee named Mark Manes, who knew they were too young to purchase the assault pistol, but nevertheless sold it to them for $500."
Written by : Lurch
I definitely think there is a point to it. Criminals don't follow gun laws, they don't acquire their weapons through legal means, so can anyone explain to me how further restricting the guns that aren't hurting anyone is going to help?
Written by : CBS March 2008
(...) new research from the U.S. Treasury Department indicates that more than half of the guns used in crimes across America are purchased from licensed gun dealers and then resold on the black market, reports CBS News Correspondent Bob Orr.
"Stolen guns are not the only source and in many cases they're not the predominant source of guns used in crimes," said Treasury Department Undersecretary James Johnson.
Legitimate buyers purchase guns and resell them, at a profit, to criminals. This is known as straw purchasing. Nearly half of the illegal guns end up in the hands of people under 24 years of age.
Said John Magan, Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms: "Many times the investigation shows that the person with the felony conviction, who cannot have a firearm, is standing right next to the person in the gun store when it's purchased."
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Written by Lurch
I disagree, the American gun culture doesn't support that type of activity at all…. We condemn it completely, and rightfully so….
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I do find it a little ironic that the person you quoted carries the family name of Mauser, one of the most influential gun makers in history.
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Really? You think it's obvious that the legal civilians do the majority of the violence? ………
Written by Lurch
Back until about the 70's when the peace craze took off and guns suddenly started to become taboo. Less responsible interaction with a potentially dangerous product brought about obvious results. It conveniently coincides with an increase in violence.
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…People like yourself have been remarkably effective at preventing people from implementing proper education programs by crying foul and saying it will never work.
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You don't think it might be somewhat understandable to make such comments when you're threatening to take away what we believe to be a fundamental right? You'd better bet I'm going to be "selfish" and hold onto what little freedoms and rights I have with everything I have. You may not see it as a big deal but I do. Many men far better than I have died to prevent that very thing from happening.
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… There are an estimated 1,150 accidental gun deaths a year, and what, 700,000 self defense uses is the low ball estimate out of the multiple studies? I'm sorry if it sounds cruel, but 1,000 lives is worth 700,000.. The same way you accept 40,000+ deaths by car accidents by driving.
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In all honesty, as an LEO it's better for my community if I remain armed :P.
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As for reducing violence, we need to take a deep hard look at our mass media and how they glamorize and portray violence.
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The idea of self-defense, community defense, has a lot to do with being a good American. Part of the attraction for a lot of American men involves identifying with those archetypes in American history, the cowboy/lawman or the citizen/soldier, who wear a gun on their hip.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Faith
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the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
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In the U.S. for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death:
Suicide 16,869; Homicide 11,348; Accident 802; Legal Intervention 323; Undetermined 231.(CDC, 2004)
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mircostamping - so it would encourage the use of revolvers? 6 bullets and then reload? Would diminish the rate of bullets fired, decrease the amount of casualties.
Written by :FT
2nd hand sales and background checks - what about the sale of guns to strangers? I'm certain they make the majority of 2nd hand sales.
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Weapon Acquisition - In the current study, the offenders' most frequently admitted law violations involved drugs, followed by weapons. Authorities often find illegal drugs and illegal guns together. Many individuals involved in various criminal activities steal, trade, swap, rent, and barter guns. However, firearms trafficking most commonly occurs with drug trafficking. Many offenders in the current study said that it was just as easy to obtain an illegal firearm as it was to obtain drugs. Many involved in drug trafficking reported that firearms were necessary for conducting business.
Thirteen of the 43 offenders readily admitted membership in street gangs connected with drug trafficking. They stated that they freely exchanged firearms within the gang and viewed them as a necessary tool not only for their criminal activities, but also for protecting their territories. None of these particular gang members obtained their weapons legally. Generally, they obtained the firearms by illegal street purchase, trade, swapping on the street, or as the proceeds of theft, such as burglaries and larcenies
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Of the 33 handguns used to assault officers who participated in the current study, 32 (97%) were obtained illegally. Eighteen of these were purchased or traded from other individuals; 6 were obtained during burglaries; 4 were taken from the victim officers during the incidents of examination; 2 were stolen during larcenies; 1 was stolen during a homicide; and 1 was illegally purchased from a firearms dealer in a store (straw purchase by a female associate).
Written by :FT
Ballistic fingerprinting - also human fingerprints change over time (injuries), still they have certain similarities that trace them back to their bearer.
Written by :Stone
Kids would not be able to buy semi automatics if the American gun culture did not support illegal gun sales.
Written by :Stone
Legal civilians are the ones who suffer the most from gun violence. This violence is self-inflicted through accidents, suicide and domestic violence. Ironically, these guns are usually brought for self-defense.
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"Robyn Anderson, a friend of Klebold and Harris, bought the shotguns and the Hi-Point 9mm Carbine at The Tanner Gun Show in December of 1998 from unlicensed sellers.
Because Anderson purchased the guns for someone else, the transition constituted an illegal "straw purchase."
Klebold and Harris bought the TEC-DC9 from a pizza shop employee named Mark Manes, who knew they were too young to purchase the assault pistol, but nevertheless sold it to them for $500."
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The NRA has been around since 1871, and it’s pretty obvious that gun education has not worked in that time. Gun education will never work in the USA as long as people think they are born with the right (and therefore skill) to bear arms.
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What! Men died to preserve your fundamental right to selfishness? Selfishness affects the safety of your whole community. Isn’t it time you looked at the big picture? You don’t really have a fundamental right to bring weapons into the community. That is a privilege you take for granted. If you really wanted to do something to reduce gun violence you would support reducing the number of redundant guns in the community; not support increasing the number of semi-automatics.
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Did you make that up or do you have a reference?
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For sure, you have many skills and could be an excellent LEO. But do you have deep felt need of responsibility for the well being of the whole community?
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Written by :FireTom
I'll happily include Kellermans research in the OP. His studies have drawn great criticism, so I feel compelled to display both sides of the results. PM me, I'll include it.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by : Lurch
What exactly do all those statistics show FireTom?
Written by : Lurch
Oh you're certain eh? You sure seem to have double standards for making stuff up, or.. oh, I'm sorry.. Not citing your sources..
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Written by : Stone
"Robyn Anderson, a friend of Klebold and Harris, bought the shotguns and the Hi-Point 9mm Carbine at The Tanner Gun Show in December of 1998 from unlicensed sellers.
Because Anderson purchased the guns for someone else, the transition constituted an illegal "straw purchase."
Klebold and Harris bought the TEC-DC9 from a pizza shop employee named Mark Manes, who knew they were too young to purchase the assault pistol, but nevertheless sold it to them for $500."
Ah, so I stand corrected. But that doesn't change that the shotguns and rifle were straw purchases (illegal) as was the other pistol from the pizza guy. If I remember correctly the Pizza guy is in jail now for selling the pistol to the boys. So basically what you're saying is that none of the purchases were legal, and all of the sellers (and buyers) should be prosecuted? I agree!
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Written by :FT
These numbers show how high the rate of deaths and accidents involving firearms in the US (and worldwide) really are. I'm not limiting myself and this thread to "accidental" casualties.
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I posted the CBS article (deriving from the Treasury Department study) re. the number of legally purchased handguns ending up in criminal hands. You ignore this - unskilled behavior IMNSHO. Again your not quoting your source. Maybe I should dig out some studies and statistics from the early 1870s. to find something significant there....?
Written by :Stone
Crime in the USA fell from the mid 1980s to 2005. The NRA would have us believe this was due to a loosing of the CCW laws, but it could also be explained by Reagan’s drug policy war on drugs.
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If there were more arrests and a crackdown due to Reagan's Drug War, wouldn't that be shown as an increase in arrest numbers, thus an increase in statistics? See, there is a fundamental problem with any of these statistics we've been posting. Thats why they can be viewed either way. Number of arrests does not equal number of crimes.
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Are you suggesting there is no relationship between the number of arrests and number of crimes?
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In absolute terms, the United States currently has the largest inmate population in the world, with more than 2½ million[14] or more than one in a hundred adults[15] in prison and jails, even though violent crime and property crime have been declining since the 1990s according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.[16] Although the United States represents less than 5% of the world's population, over 25% of the people incarcerated around the world are housed in the American prison system. Pulitzer Prize winning author Joseph T. Hallinan wrote in his book Going Up the River: Travels in a Prison Nation, "so common is the prison experience that the federal government predicts one in eleven men will be incarcerated in his lifetime, one in four if he is black."
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Written by :Violent Encounters
When asked about the ease of obtaining firearms illegally, one offender in the current study said:
All these politicians are screaming about more gun laws, more gun laws. F--- the gun laws. I never gave a sh-- about the gun laws that are on the books, and the 8,000 new gun laws would have made absolutely, whatsoever, about me getting a gun. Why? Because I never went into a gun store or to a gun show or to a pawn shop or anyplace else where firearms were legally bought and sold and picked up a gun, ever. Because I'm a felon, I couldn't pass a background check, you know. And, that's just common sense, and I think most felons know that. I'm not going to pass a background check, and I'm not even going to try. Why? Because I can break into Joe Blow's house down the road here. And if you do your burglaries in the right places, the chances are very good, I'd say 80% or better, that these people are going to have a handgun of one form or another. You can then take that handgun and sell it privately. Of course, it's not a legal sale. Of course, it's under the table because you're probably selling it to another felon, you know, and make money off it or swap him for a better piece. But, that's the most proficient way that I've found to do it, was just break into a house where it was relatively likely they were gonna have a piece and search the motherf--- from top to bottom until you found your gun.
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The investigators asked another offender if he normally purchased handguns from a store. He stated:
No, we ain't going to no store to buy them. I mean, you know, you got everybody out there doing their thing as far as being a criminal. You goy guys out there that sell drugs. Guys out there that do burglaries and all that stuff. So, there is some gun sellers out there; so when it comes down to getting the connect, it's not difficult at all. I mean, there's somebody selling guns. I mean, it's easy. I want to say it's almost easy as being able to find drugs. Somebody knows somebody who sells guns.
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When asked about the ease of obtaining firearms illegally, one offender in the current study said:
All these politicians are screaming about more gun laws, more gun laws. F--- the gun laws. I never gave a sh-- about the gun laws that are on the books, and the 8,000 new gun laws would have made absolutely, whatsoever, about me getting a gun. Why? Because I never went into a gun store or to a gun show or to a pawn shop or anyplace else where firearms were legally bought and sold and picked up a gun, ever. Because I'm a felon, I couldn't pass a background check, you know. And, that's just common sense, and I think most felons know that. I'm not going to pass a background check, and I'm not even going to try. Why? Because I can break into Joe Blow's house down the road here. And if you do your burglaries in the right places, the chances are very good, I'd say 80% or better, that these people are going to have a handgun of one form or another. You can then take that handgun and sell it privately. Of course, it's not a legal sale......
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I even encourage doing background checks if you're selling a gun to a stranger. I do not think it should be a law though...
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4b) Huh? How are you going to do a psychological test on every purchase? Federal law already has restrictions on people with mental histories, but requiring some arbitrary test? Administered by who, the gun dealer?!
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One only has to read the six Australian gun magazines to realise that many active shooters have become a different segment of the community to the majority, a segment that has a fatal attraction to guns and to the killing process. Above all, they constitute a segment that is ill-disciplined, poorly read and all too often quite callous. (Gun Control Australia).
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2c) Pretty much any gun from the manufacturer comes with child locks these days anyways, not to mention many police stations and sheriffs offices will give them out for free.
Written by Lurch
Section 27: The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh