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Posted:Well, seeing as we are starting to take over the

"Offical HOP "I just learnt a new move" thread", I thought we should contain this bit just to jugglerisng and the throwing and dropping of balls, clubs, rings and other miscellaneous juggling props.

Today I mothered learning 441.

I had a few throws of 531 but only 1 catch. I think my 5 is too high.

Note for the mods: I DEMAND on behalf of the jugglers on this site, as has been done with the aforementioned "Poi moves thread", that this one is made a sticky thread.

Otherwise its just favouritism really....


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Lemonkey
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Posted:Written by: coleman

its the whole thing of learning to juggle with the clubs pointing outwards that is holding me back i think.

after about 8-10 catches, i start throwing them too straight-on and then my hand starts getting beatings frown



Tis my problem too. My forearms are also getting a battering from the thin end of the club. frown


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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:From the LJC last weekend,

6 balls been training at.

I got 94 catches of 5 balls,
solider 5b shower
solider 5b half shower
5b MM now makes sence! bounce
5b Shower explosions (still!) are starting to become solider..

642 is much more solid now
4b MM is solid (pretty much)

thats abootit.

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coleman
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Posted:Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance

4b MM is solid



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Posted:#Is impressed at UCOF# An' I've still barely got under the leg...

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hexagonic
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Posted:Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance

From the LJC last weekend,
5b MM now makes sense!



spank mad spank

Damn you...5b mm i don't think i will ever work out.

I got 3 rounds of 97531 last night bounce2


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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:last night I got 42 catches of 4b MM.
Is that solid? umm

and I got an 84ish run of 5.


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Posted:Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance

last night I got 42 catches of 4b MM.
Is that solid? umm




No. I consider anything over 50 or so catches solid wink


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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:How are you supposed to classify something as "solid" anyways?

Im guessing it isnt simply qualifying everytime you try.
Is it so that you can do it as long as you like?


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Posted:its subjective jon.
there are lots of definitions of solid and you can choose which your preferred one is smile

a pattern is solid when you can:

jugglie it for x catches
juggle it for y cycles
juggle it from cold
juggle it looking at someone/thing through the pattern
juggle using it as your 'resting' pattern

i usually go by the 'do it from cold' measure and the even more subjective, 'when i feel comfortable with it'.

the best test of if i think have a trick solid is whether or not i will attempt it with globalls in a club smile


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Posted:Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance


How are you supposed to classify something as "solid" anyways?



you say 42 catches, i reckon it's solid when you hit 43 catches wink



Written by: coleman
the best test of if i think have a trick solid is whether or not i will attempt it with globalls in a club





in that case i have very few patterns solid.



I reckon it's solid when you can go into a pattern and run it for a while and then get out of it again. Either that or run it for a while without moving your feet. but yes it is very subjective...as a rule of thumb i reckon 4 full rotations is enough, juggling it twice and being in control of it, not correcting mistakes as you go along.



this little man has 3b cascade solid

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Posted:4bMM is just annoying. I *think* my most was ~50 catches, haven't attempted it for a while.

Written by: Hexagonic
you say 42 catches, i reckon it's solid when you hit 43 catches wink




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Posted:I got MM with 3 clubs now bounce

Ok so not quite as good as 5ball MM but... I'm happy none the less.


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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:My 3club MM is still slightly shabby...

redface


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Posted:I've just learnt proper job fish tails with my devilstick give it about a week and it should be coming smooth, i'm so happy i could cry...more

Does this site actually exist? Or am i talking to all my other personalities?

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Posted:Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance

My 3club MM is still slightly shabby...

redface



:snap:

It feels strange to do...


Willy - is bad for your health...

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Posted:grumble grumble grumble can't juggle, can't spin, can't do capoeira

f'ed up my wrist a couple of weeks ago and even though I've been trying to take it easy i've still managed to make it worst. I think the only way it going to get better is with complete rest, which sucks grumble.


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Posted:frown hug

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coleman
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Posted:tim that sucks frown



that happened to me a little while back and i was happy that it was only one wrist - if it is only one, you could practice:



3 balls in one hand - cascade, inverse cascade, inwards circles, outwards circles and 8040

4 balls in one hand - flash

2 clubs in one hand - some 6020 (triple-single on the 6 and 2)



otherwise there are always:



balances - club on chin/nose/forehead/foot

kickups - ball from foot to foot, ball/club from foot to hand, ball from foot to head

headrolls



hug juggle



i've started getting some decent runs of 4 ball mills (in amongst all the failed short runs mind) - i had runs of 8 rounds, two nights in a row which ain't no fluke i reckon smile





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Posted:A question for you juggler types...

4 balls - high/low shower - RH throwing 5's, LH throwing 3's.
Should they be sync'd or split? (Or both or alternating)


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Posted:no i've decided juggling for lossers tongue am going unicycling instead smile

p.s. cheers for the support (but i didn't say that cos that would be nice)


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Posted:durbs- in 4 ball high/low shower async RH throws 9's and 5's left hand throws 1's i.e. 9151

in 4 ball high low shower sync RH throws 8 across then 4 across LH throws 2 across i.e. (x8,x2),(x4,x2)

so take your pick but most people do somewhere between the two


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Posted:Written by: Durbs

A question for you juggler types...

4 balls - high/low shower - RH throwing 5's, LH throwing 3's.
Should they be sync'd or split? (Or both or alternating)



53

that's a 4 ball async half-shower durbs.

4 ball sync half-shower is a cheat and is usually juggled as a galloped version of (4x,4x)(4x,4x).

hi-lo 4b shower is 9151

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Posted:Ah - yup
Understand the half shower bit (as it needs the 1 I'm guessing...)
And yeah - I did seem to occasionally gallop the rhythm (although how they're 4x's confuses me smile )

Sorted smile
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Posted:Written by: Durbs


And yeah - I did seem to occasionally gallop the rhythm (although how they're 4x's confuses me smile )





he's a fun one for you to try then:



juggle 53 (which should be perfectly async) and gradually lower the height of your 5's and raise the height of your 3's until they are the same height.

by necessity, the rhythm of your throws will have changed gradually from async to sync.



the galloped rhythms in between the two will tend to screw with your head but being a drummer, it may well make sense to you!



don't worry about 4x's - sync siteswap is awkward and is mainly evil and hence it is not suitable for use in the real world wink





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Posted:Why 9151 instead of 7131?

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Posted:cos 7131 is with 3 balls smile



i reckon you'll be wanting to know the 'magic siteswap mean average trick' about now...



1. get yourself a siteswap.

2. add all the digits up.

3. divide by the number of digits.

4. the result will give you the number of objects required for juggling that siteswap.



so 7+1+3+1=12

12/4=3

so 7131 is a trick requiring 3 objects.



9+1+5+1=16

16/4=4

so 9151 is a trick requiring 4 objects.



magic smile





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Posted:D'oh - yep I knew that - they looked the same on that Java thingy, didn't spot the missing ball redface

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Posted:ubblol damn simulators.


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Posted:Written by: coleman
4 ball sync half-shower is a cheat and is usually juggled as a galloped version of (4x,4x)(4x,4x).




Boo, my async half-shower sucks, but there is a definite split between the higher lower balls of my sync version. smile


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Posted:then it can't possibly be 100% sync smile

either your throws or your catches will be slightly async.


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