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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Stout, it sounds good this “that's it's up to the individual, not the government, to ensure their personal safety” but the end result is anarchy, not democracy. Everything goes along fine until there is pressure on the system, and it all falls to pieces. A recent example is the outbreak of anarchy in New Orleans following hurricane Katrina.
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What is the path you see being mapped out by NRA leaders? You can point to any large organization and find the extremists, just like at PETA.
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It's when everyone is dependant on a faulty system that it crumbles under stress. A hurricane hit New England in 1938, went over Long Island, destroyed thousands of homes and killed hundreds of people. The population didn't just sit on their butts and wait for the government to save them. They started to clean, repair, and rebuild as soon as the storm was over. Think about it, if the system is 'take care of yourself as much as possible, we'll send aid but it's up to you' then if you fail, its your fault. If the system is 'we'll take care of all of you' and the system fails, everyone is screwed, not just the individual.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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I proposed better education and owner safety requirements, which could potentially drastically reduce accidental deaths, but that isn't good enough for you I guess.
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Yes I know about genetic predispositions towards criminal tendencies. What makes a criminal is not purely genetic (in many cases). (...) There is always an alternative.
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There are about 107 million cars in the US, give or take obviously and nearly 200 million guns. An estimated 3.4 million injuries and 40,000+ deaths by car accident. Maybe 30,000 deaths by guns.
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2/3 gun deaths are attributed to Suicide or Drugs, both crimes, and both preventable through means other than gun control. Both SHOULD be confronted by examining the CAUSE of the problem, not the TOOL, used for the end result.
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A better comparison would be choosing not to wear a helmet on a motorcycle.
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Not true, I challenge you to come up with an actual study showing that legal CCW carriers are more of a threat to society than a benefit. We are discussing LEGAL carry here after all, not criminals.
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Could you show me where I said that I agreed with shooting someone over material possessions? (...) I don't keep a loaded firearm in my house to fight off a hostage situation.
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I fully admit that if I were to keep property on my front lawn it is more likely to be stolen. Just because it was unprotected and on my front lawn does not make it any less of a crime to take it however, and the criminal is no less guilty because it was "easy" to steal.
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Lol, thats quite possible, however that's not the reason I don't keep it locked. I would rather have someone open the door to steal the car or things in it, than have them slash the top to get inside.
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The students in Columbine got their weapons illegally. Granted it was from a dealer, but nonetheless they were sold to them illegally. More regulations won't stop that. The NRA is not just about making people safer, it's about the sport, and the hobby, or whatever you want to call it. It's about our rights, and while you may see it as barbaric or primitive to insist on keeping our rights, even at the potential cost of innocent blood, including our own, we do not.
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Yes there is and it's societies responsibility to provide equal opportunities, so everyone has the same scale of alternatives to choose from. It's the individuals responsibility to make t/his claim and to work towards a society in which opportunities are equal.
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Suicide is a crime?
- But are you saying that drug offenses are crimes... ? Wouldn't that discredit drug abusers from owning guns?
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- Isn't the possession of guns for self defense and safety simply the attempt to cure the symptoms (theft and violence) rather than to tackle the cause (an unequal society).
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So you condemn killing over material possessions? And only approve killing in self defense?
- Why would you then need to keep more than one firearm to accomplish this? Why would you then oppose regulation on numbers of guns/ person?
You're not trying to "fight off a hostage situation"... You me...
This entire thread is started on ppl shooting other ppl over material possessions and in situations that are/ were not classified "life threatening" - without punishment. It's about the simplicity in which ppl can obtain firearms...
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We had these scenarios before... no need to repeat them. Someone breaks into the house, I call the cops and stay in my bedroom, period. Someone demands my wallet, I hand it over. Someone attacks me with a knife, I try to run a.f.a.p. Ahead of this situation, I try to walk away from potential conflict and train myself in unarmed self defense.
Simple.
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So the only logical solution to the problem ("they were sold to them illegally + More regulations won't stop that. ") is a ban. I can't understand that you fight the right for self-determination (like wearing a seatbelt/ helmet or not) but defend the right to cause harm and to support a corrupt and lethal industry...
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I don’t have a problem with guns in an ideal world where all crime is eliminated. Guns have a certain attraction, and I can understand guns for fun and marksmanship. No problem.
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Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
If a tree falls in a forest with no one to witness it...do the other trees laugh?
Faith
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What if the intruder kicks in your door? What if they have a knife? or a gun? and they're intent on harming/killing you? I'm willing to bet the criminal is going to have a whole lot more street fighting experience than you will. You'll probably lose if they're armed and you are not.
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Stone: Would you really want to give 110% to help someone who doesn't do anything to help themselves?
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While the government does have a duty to protect its citizens, the citizens have an equal, if not larger duty to protect themselves do they not?
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No, it's not. It's societies responsibility to ensure that you're not oppressed, that doesn't mean they must give everyone equal opportunity. You have to earn some things, when people are just handed opportunity through their whole life they take it for granted, and can't function as an individual, they mooch off the system (a large part of the Katrina hassle)
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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If we want a stronger nation, or to ever reach that 'ideal world' you can't condone nor encourage that type of activity.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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We have our problems in Australia, but most people would give 110% to see them redressed. We don’t abandon people, so I don’t understand why you even have to think about helping out fellow Americans? I mean it’s a big call to condemn people because you think they “mooch off” the system”.
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Perhaps it’s our convict heritage, but in Australia we have a healthy disrespect for the police, and certainly don’t expect them to molly coddle us. We certainly don’t take policing into our own hands or go around policing the community vigilante style.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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They can either live off welfare because they "can't find a job," or they could actually find a job, but then they would have to work.
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By directly communicating and showing each other that there is nothing to be fearful of, that we're all in the same boat - we create peace.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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You get educated that you need a cellphone, a (big) car, a flatscreen TV, an iPhone and you have to listen to Destiny's Child all day in order to be happy.
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You're owning two cars, Lurch. Why? You only have one body to drive. You have multiple guns, Lurch. Why? You only have two hands to shoot with. You know ppl have been complaining about Osho, having about 90 Rolls Royce. How could a holy man own all these worldly possessions AND dare to display them in public? Look within yourself and you hold the answer. HIS answer has been something like: I am prooving that being a saint doesn't exclude a nice garment and a beautiful house. What is your answer?
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How much money is spent to fund "abstience only" programs, "homeland security" and the like? At the same time you say that education and police surveillance is insufficient... how can this be? Billions of dollars are pumped into security, but this doesn't result in more safety. How absurd...
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So, why are you judging and condemning all these people? How do you know their circumstances, it does not sound like fun living on welfare in America. What difference does it make if they don’t work? They are still human beings. What is the full story?
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I don’t drive around looking for an accident because I’m concentrating 110% on driving. Trust me, if you think you will have an accident then you probably will have one.
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Dr. Arthur Kellerman, stated: "If you've got to resist, you're chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah." (Health Magazine, March/April 1994)
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A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
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Think about what you just said Mynci, if your girlfriend was being attacked by someone with a gun trying to kill her, you would prefer her to be unarmed and unable to fight back?
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The thing is, *not* everyone can get a gun, there are plenty of laws already in place making it illegal for 'bad guys' to get guns.
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Obscene amounts of money are put into systems which are all "good ideas" on paper but don't always follow through in reality. The "war on drugs" is one example, "no child left behind" another. They all sound good, but are utter failures.
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You're right, I don't know each individual's stories, and I'm sure there are many I would have compassion for. …..Not only did many thousands of people 'work the system' to get as many people in a single house the cards as possible, they also used them on frugal expenditures like TV's, and jewelry. In fact, part of my brothers job is to track down the people cheating the system for personal gain. While it's nice that you have such a high faith in human decency, reality doesn't hold that to be fact.
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I don’t drive around looking for an accident because I’m concentrating 110% on driving. Trust me, if you think you will have an accident then you probably will have one.Written by:
Neither do I, and I never said I did. But if you have not at least prepared for the situation you're putting yourself at a disadvantage.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Lurch, you are making moral judgements over possessions. People in positions of authority should be impartial. Just because someone doesn’t conform to your view of the protestant work ethic doesn’t mean they “deserve to die”. It seems like you are concerned more about TV's, and jewelry than people. As far as the Katrina evacuation went, were the people left to die in nursing homes and hospitals asked to leave or just left for dead?
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Sure, Lurch I’m prepared. I’ve taken advanced motorbike riding courses, which is where I got the above bit of advice. The instructors also recommended I wear a helmet for protection, they didn’t recommend carrying a gun. You see a helmet protects someone from injury, just like a seat belt. A gun, on the other hand, causes injury. Injury is the opposite of protection. Ok, some misguided people see guns as protection. However, guns cause violence and death, to call them protection is stupid and senseless. Calling gun protection is like saying a termination is better protection than a condom.
The other problem with guns is people become dependent on them, and when you don’t have one, you are lost, snookered, helpless. Just like Samson without his hair.
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A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.