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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:So I've noticed lately that there's some 1337 and other txt speak popping up.

I'm not a mod, but I figured I'd just give a bit of history on this. In general, I think we agreed a while back to go easy on using this shorthand.

It's not because we're the Grammar Gestapo, but because you have to remember that, although English is the language that we use on HoP, not everyone who uses HoP is a native English speaker!

So if u start txtspk cuz ur used 2 it lolz it makes it rilli hard 4 ppl from Spain or Norway 2 follow teh convo.

We're not demanding perfect spelling and grammar or anything silly like that. Just asking you not to txtspk as a matter of regular habit.

I bring this up because I'm bilingual and when I'm on some of my Spanish message boards, I sometimes have trouble with some of the posts because I don't get the Spanish txtspeak.

Sound reasonable?


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Such
GOLD Member since Sep 2008

Such

Rancor
Location: Right Here

Total posts: 253
Posted:I agree txtspk is retarded, and totally misguiding for others.
EDITED_BY: doppelGanger (1232249547)
EDIT_REASON: For Mother Natures Son's below post.


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Mother_Natures_Son
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

Mother_Natures_Son

Rampant whirler.
Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia!

Total posts: 2418
Posted:I don't mean to hurl criticism your way, doppelGanger, but i don't feel that thats the message Doc was trying to convey and probably best for a different thread. The people Doc would most like to read what he has just written and not take offense (And he has put it in such a way that it would be difficult to take offense very deliberately) are the same people that you've essentially called idiots with the following post...

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railspinner


railspinner

journeyman
Location: canada

Total posts: 99
Posted:it would be neat if someone made a bit of php that allowed a person to convert shorthand to regular language before posting for those that are truely locked in their habbits of using shorthand.

The less people know the more they believe

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Such
GOLD Member since Sep 2008

Such

Rancor
Location: Right Here

Total posts: 253
Posted:Originally Posted By: railspinnerit would be neat if someone made a bit of php that allowed a person to convert shorthand to regular language before posting for those that are truely locked in their habbits of using shorthand.

Gimme the HoP code and I'll do it.


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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Y34h, my 5u6635710n 15 pur3|y pr4c71c3|. N07 b3c4u53 1 h4v3 4 d1m v13w 0f 7x75p34k.

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Such
GOLD Member since Sep 2008

Such

Rancor
Location: Right Here

Total posts: 253
Posted:Originally Posted By: Doc LightningY34h, my 5u6635710n 15 pur3|y pr4c71c3|. N07 b3c4u53 1 h4v3 4 d1m v13w 0f 7x75p34k.

crazy_speak = "Y34h, my 5u6635710n 15 pur3|y pr4c71c3|. N07 b3c4u53 1 h4v3 4 d1m v13w 0f 7x75p34k."
normal_tongue = ""
crazy_speak.each do |x|
if x == [a..z]
normal_tongue << x
else if x == [0..9]
if x == 0
normal_tongue << "o"
else if x == 1
normal_tongue << "l"
etc
etc
etc
end
end
normal_tongue
end

"My suggestion is purely practical. Not because I have a dim view of leetspeak."


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newgabe
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

newgabe

what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali

Total posts: 4030
Posted:Keep that up, Doppleganger and you'll end up sounding like Richee.

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Such
GOLD Member since Sep 2008

Such

Rancor
Location: Right Here

Total posts: 253
Posted:That went over my head...

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear

Total posts: 4693
Posted:LOL thats suprisingly true.

but richee knows what he's on about, and thats good enough for me smile

(richee is someone who works on the site and makes lots of test threads and posts and such and english isnt his first language, which results in some confusing posts, usually for a good reason!)

hope that was accurate. if you read this richee, i think you're awesome smile


"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley

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NathanielEverist
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

NathanielEverist

enthusiast
Location: Melbourne

Total posts: 315
Posted:Originally Posted By: Doc LightningY34h, my 5u6635710n 15 pur3|y pr4c71c3|. N07 b3c4u53 1 h4v3 4 d1m v13w 0f 7x75p34k.

That is so elite it's almost next level. I could barely comprehend that, which kinda proves your point of practicality.


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Pink...?
BRONZE Member since Apr 2002

Pink...?

Mistress of Pink...Multicoloured
Location: Over There

Total posts: 6140
Posted:I completely agree with the Doc...

English is my native language and i barely understand 'txtspk' let alone 'elite' speak!!

I'm learning other languages at the moment and I struggle so much when people even use just slang words let alone their txt abbreviations!!


Never pick up a duck in a dungeon...

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Dom
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

Dom

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Bristol, UK

Total posts: 3009
Posted:Thanks Doc.
The main issue is foreign readers translating in thier heads or using translation software will find it difficult or impossible to read what's going on.
Having a browser with built in spell checking also helps.


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Thanks for bringing this up Doc.
It is a HoP policy to try to be as clear as possible, and that came about when the whole raver speak thing happened and was hard to follow.


The issue I find with any form of translator is that slang and txtspk changes often. Anyone would be hard pressed to keep it up to date.

And yeah, Richee. We love him but I think he writes in Richee speak more than anything, but he does it in long handed english so we just nod and smile. wink hug to Richee.

P.L.U.R. wink


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Originally Posted By: Nathaniel EverestThat is so elite it's almost next level. I could barely comprehend that, which kinda proves your point of practicality.

I used a 1337 generator to write it. I can't really take credit.

EDITED_BY: Doc Lightning (1232480214)


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

HOP librarian
Location: Prague

Total posts: 1841
Posted:Here is propper dehax Linux shell decoder:

Code:
#!/bin/sh
#HOP h4x0r Language Decoder
#

sed -i s/3/e/ $1
sed -i s/4/a/ $1
sed -i s/5/s/ $1
sed -i s/6/g/ $1
sed -i s/7/t/ $1
sed -i s/1/i/ $1
sed -i s/0/o/ $1

exit 0


The h4x3d language is good for passwords for example,
that make simple phrase less breakable.

I've permament problem in writing,
I'm dislexic.

feel better now,

:R

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PS: If some linux geek, would tell what cause sed to forget decode
some numbers and need the script to be runned even 10 time that'd
help.


POI THEO(R)IST

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newgabe
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

newgabe

what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali

Total posts: 4030
Posted:OK Doppelganger. Get the idea?

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Such
GOLD Member since Sep 2008

Such

Rancor
Location: Right Here

Total posts: 253
Posted:Indeed I do smile

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hamamelis
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

hamamelis

nut.
Location: Bouncing off the walls.

Total posts: 756
Posted:I have an issue with dodgy spelling (not that I'm saying I never type it)- in that I think I'm a bit OCD about it.. If I ever come across a word I think is wrong I have to immediately stop what I'm doing and go look it up (if I'm out somewhere, I have been known to write down a misspelled sign or suchlike, then look it up when I get home). Textspeak generates a 'feeling of wrongness' in my head which after a while can get almost physically painful.

However, I do fully realise this is me being a fruitcake, so it does not give me the right to shout at everyone else about spelling just 'cos I'm nuts. wink


THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH!


If that's okay with you?

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear

Total posts: 4693
Posted:did i hear fruitcake? grin *bites*

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley

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aston
SILVER Member since Dec 2007

aston

Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
Location: South Africa

Total posts: 4061
Posted:Originally Posted By: hamamelisIf I ever come across a word I think is wrong I have to immediately stop what I'm doing and go look it up (if I'm out somewhere, I have been known to write down a misspelled sign or suchlike, then look it up when I get home).

I am like that if someone asks me something that I can not give a correct answer to immediately. I will look it up.

Can you not use a cellphone with predictive text by the way? You can then work out whether it is correct immediately.


'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland

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the_mods_stole_my_name
SILVER Member since May 2006

the_mods_stole_my_name

travelling without moving
Location: Maghull, Liverpool

Total posts: 1286
Posted:Originally Posted By: Pele
It is a HoP policy to try to be as clear as possible, and that came about when the whole raver speak thing happened and was hard to follow.




raver speak is only hard to follow because of the swinging jaw caused by mdma!


Heilige Scheie, Batman kommt!

Reality is just a state of mind which occurs through a lack of lsd

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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

TinklePants

Clique Infiltrator, Cunning Linguist and Master Debator
Location: Edinburgh burgh burrrrrr

Total posts: 4217
Posted:Bugger I feel a language rant brewing lol.....

I dont use text speak on forums. Its a no no. it also comes across as immature imho. I Have a friend who covers her bebo facebook and other networking pages with phonetic letters, text speak and local speak - thats saying dinny canny (did not, can not in scotland)etc., and it really winds me up.

So does incorrect grammar. A lot of people - too many - will use "of" instead of "have" as in "I should of got it by tommorrow."What the hell are they teaching people in schools lately? Since when does a word that basically means from or belonging to, get used to replace a word that means to possess or to cause?

I really can't fathom why people can't even try to use even a little good grammar these days. It gets my goat it really does - my 4yr old knows the difference. Now THAT makes me smile smile


Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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Ade
SILVER Member since Mar 2001

Are we there yet?
Location: australia

Total posts: 1897
Posted:Doc spank

There's 4 pages of discussion of language and HoP here:

txtspk

ubbrollsmile


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aston
SILVER Member since Dec 2007

aston

Unofficial Chairperson of Squirrel Defense League
Location: South Africa

Total posts: 4061
Posted:#881013 - 01/17/09 10:20 PM - Doc
#881037 - 01/18/09 06:21 AM - DoppelGanger

So Ade: spank for not paying attention....


'We're all mad here. I'm mad, you're mad." [said the Cat.]
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures In Wonderland

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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

TinklePants

Clique Infiltrator, Cunning Linguist and Master Debator
Location: Edinburgh burgh burrrrrr

Total posts: 4217
Posted:ooooh can I join in with the spanking? lol

Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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PyroWill
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

PyroWill

HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Location: Staines

Total posts: 4437
Posted:spank to you all

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind

Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife

"Will's to pretty for prison" - Simian

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inactive
SILVER Member since May 2005

inactive

old hand


Total posts: 722
Posted:lol, txtspk rulz, u r all pwned.... ARGH

I HATE text speak, I hate words like pwned, and I hate marmite!


To you who has been accessing my online accounts, changing my login details, locations and posting censored about me, realise, you are not worth revenge, you are not worth my attention, you are nothing, and that is all you ever will be.

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:You're just so full of hate Sunbird.

spank

wink


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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V_Regal
GOLD Member since Feb 2009

Lost in the Lights
Location: BC, Canada

Total posts: 101
Posted:1 4gr33 4b00t 7><75p34|< 831|\|g b4|\||\|3c|.

^ Without a generator. =P


Risen from the Ashes
The Phoenix shall rise in his royal flaire.
FIND YOUR DESTINY.

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