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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece
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wow just wow


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spacey
spacey

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Posted:how the hell is this possible?? this scares me as it will be open to abuse and mis-use within the system.

surely this is an infringement of our civil liberties and breaks privicy laws?


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Fine_Rabid_Dog
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Posted:frown

Lame!


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Spanner
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Posted:I'm sure this was already happening anyway: non-senior police officers with access to the Police National Computer already run searches as proportionate and "necessary" (i.e.: to relieve boredom on a tea break) despite the "severe penalties" without getting caught. Not that this makes it right.

The incompetence of the UK government in all things IT means many will be laughing at this story by now but dismissing that softening up got us into this fine mess in the first place.
We've become far more transparent than them in more ways than one - they don't even have to bother with the whole farce of "backtracking" to something else which sounds slightly less alarming, but adds up the much of the same, anymore.

Also see Jacqui Smith, Counter-Terrorism Bill 2008, ID cards, Damien Green, etc.


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:meh. come to 'stralia, aye?

i honestly find it bemusing that 1984 was set in the UK, and it seems like it is actually happening in the UK more than anywhere else.

when you see a country slipping like this it almost seems like a good thing to have US gun laws. keep the powerful afraid of the populace.


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Doc Lightning
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Posted:Originally Posted By: Mr Majestik
when you see a country slipping like this it almost seems like a good thing to have US gun laws. keep the powerful afraid of the populace.

They aren't afraid of our little pop guns. Not when they have choppers and tanks and all that jazz.

Anyway, Britons do have the power to make this go away. 1) Write to your MPs and tell them that they will be on the unemployment lines next elections unless this stops. 2) Follow through on your threat.


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mcp
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Posted:cory doctorow will leave the uk cos of id cards...

lovely parallels there...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/oct/07/database.nation


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UCOF
UCOF

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Posted::angry: Right.

I'm supporting Liberty from now on.
Oh, and switching to Linux 100%.

Originally Posted By: The articleHe said the authorities could break into a suspects home or office and insert a key-logging device into an individuals computer. This would collect and, if necessary, transmit details of all the suspects keystrokes. Its just like putting a secret camera in someones living room, he said.

Police might also send an e-mail to a suspects computer. The message would include an attachment that contained a virus or malware. If the attachment was opened, the remote search facility would be covertly activated. Alternatively, police could park outside a suspects home and hack into his or her hard drive using the wireless network.

Lol..just lol. A plateful of lol-chips and a lol-burger with a serving of lol-salad, a side dish of lol-chup and all washed down with lol-cola.
Those who know how silly those paragraphs are, will also feast on lol.

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Yakumo
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Posted:big_brother_f

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Mr_Chutney
Mr_Chutney

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Posted:Blimey that's scary...

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MikefromGlos
MikefromGlos

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Posted:i think the person writing the article is maybe the page 3 girl

he he i am mike the amazing gloscircus person who is mike.

Officaly an exception to the Poi Boys are Girls Thing

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simta
simta

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Posted:Originally Posted By: MikefromGlosi think the person writing the article is maybe the page 3 girl

?????

first comment after the article is brilliant

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Pele
Pele

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Posted:Why UCOF?

From a technical perspective, it's all possible.
Hell, I can go to the local gadget store and buy a key-logger.
We encrypted our wireless and put passwords on everything in the house because someone *was* sitting in our neighborhood in their car on a computer and took off like a bat outta hell when approached by my neighbor.
The virus already exists.

Now, legally, I know it doesn't hold up in the US (not that they don't use it, but that it isn't legal). Wouldn't it be illegal search and seizure/invasion of kind of deal?


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UCOF
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Posted:It's all possible yes, but if you have even half a brain, and if you are breaking the law on your PC, you will do everything that makes if less likely for people to see what you are doing. Things like Tor, anonymous proxies and such will help. If you know about those things, you will know how to 'secure' your PC as tightly as possible - Firewalls, anti virus and spyware, even Linux to the extreme.
In my opinion, this will only catch stupid criminals who do not know how to even start covering their tracks.

Hardware keyloggers - put your entire PC in a safe!
Software keyloggers - either anti virus and spyware (might not be found by programs if coders instructed not to) - if not, go Linux and put a very secure password on your user login (uppercare, lowercase number and punctuation marks).

As for the "Police could email a virus in an attachment blah blah blah" - is this not the very same thing that we have been warned against for many years? Once again - only stupid people open attachments from people they do not know!

Regarding the "wireless network" issue - go wired, and make sure your computer monitor is not facing the window! (or just get your own Faraday cage grin ) (Further reading)
You secured you wireless network because someone was sitting in their car on a laptop? Hell, I secured mine when I got it, because that is what you are supposed to do! WPA2 PSK - and nothing less!


Pele - whilst all these things are possible all are easily avoidable!

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Pele
Pele

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Posted:They are, but I was still wondering why the lol-feast.
I should think it would be more laughable if they weren't able to do these things.

Just because people use computers does not mean they are savvy about them.
I know tonnes of people at work who don't know how to do sh*t on them outside of work and downloading porn. My super, in a computer lab, didn't know you can lock personal pc's.

I s'pose it depends on the illegal nature of what they're tracking how smart the people are.


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Stone
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Posted:
With that type of invasion of privacy on the cards I think the UK police force is setting themselves up to become the target of every hacker in the universe. Hell, Im tempted to start spamming them myself.

Its just not cricket!


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Pele
Pele

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Posted:Stone, that would be hysterically funny!

Pele
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Stone
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Posted:Hi Pele,

Great idea wink

Though, seriously I have all the protection I can get my hands on my home computer. I get a lot of information and free software from major geeks. I think I got the link from HoP, a few years ago.


Cheers smile


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railspinner
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Posted:man the UK's getting creepy with all this stuff. Push this down the slippery slope a bunch and maybe they will ban open source software, and comission MS to release a OS that has a backdoor installed for police survelance, then they censor the UK's internet access. not a whole lot those few who bother to secure their computers can do at that point. With the talk of banning pointed knives in the UK, and now this I really wonder what's going on. Im guessing theirs public consent for all this crap or they wouldn't have gotten this far, what ever happened to people being outraged?

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Mr Majestik
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Posted:very. and they say it like its a good thing!

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simta
simta

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Posted:Originally Posted By: railspinner maybe they will ban open source software

would like to see them try. european court of human rights would be right on it.


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railspinner
railspinner

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Posted:if the european court will do nothing about UK carrying out search and seizures without court consent, or the individuals knowledge, then what faith do you put in them for stopping the UK from doing anything else?

The less people know the more they believe

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Fine_Rabid_Dog
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Posted:How easy is it for a n00b like me to install linux or whatever?

-edit-

And dual boot. smile

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UCOF
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Posted:Easy FRD.
I did it smile

Go make a thread in help for it wink


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marco
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Posted:
I would imagine there are already numerous backdoors in MS software,


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simta
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Posted:Originally Posted By: Fine_Rabid_DogHow easy is it for a n00b like me to install linux or whatever?

-edit-

And dual boot. smile

i'd recommend trying out linux mint http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
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the new version has a windows installer that automatically sets up a dual-boot system. linux mint is based on ubuntu, so you get the advantage of the support network of ubuntuForums which is amazing.

do you have a 32-bit or 64-bit system?

the 64-bit version of mint6 (latest version) isn't quite ready yet.should be out v.soon though --- EDIT - RC1 of this is out now

the installation cd also acts as a live cd, which means if you put the cd in, reboot your system and set it to boot from the cd, it will go into the linux mint o/s without touching anything on your hard drive, which means you can give it a go without fear of messing anything up. obviously when running off the cd its alot slower than when installed.

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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:Originally Posted By: marco
I would imagine there are already numerous backdoors in MS software,

Back in the day there where a bunch of t...ound yet anyway


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dariuz
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Posted:Dont worry, Big Brother is Watching You ^_^

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Fine_Rabid_Dog
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Posted:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/31/privacy-civil-liberties
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o_O


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:private companies. brilliant laugh3

silly governments.....


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