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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13919
Posted:So, as has been pointed out in the "Is it quieter around here lately?" the boards are kinda dead.

Things really started to turn quiet around April/May of this year and I figured it was just part of the normal cycles that we see here of flurries of activity and then periods of less activity.

It's November and the trend continues. In Social Chat, only six posts were made over a period of four days. I haven't been posting much lately because there haven't been posts to respond to. In seven years as a HoP member, I have never seen anything like it.

Even worse, Josh and Kate were going to have a mini-Doof tomorrow night at their place in my honor and it appears that very few people will be coming. This disappoints me. It means that our community is collapsing and I can't figure out why this is happening.

But more important than the discussion of why is how to fix it. This community was an amazing, active, warm, loving family consisting of tens of thousands of spinners all over the world. I don't think the blame can be placed in the hands of any individual.

Did the community move to Facebook? If so, can we use that to our advantage? Is there something that we can do to make this forum more conducive to gatherings and socialization?

What are your ideas?

And please, if you know someone who has gone silent, encourage them to come back.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13919
Posted:So, as has been pointed out in the "Is it quieter around here lately?" the boards are kinda dead.

Things really started to turn quiet around April/May of this year and I figured it was just part of the normal cycles that we see here of flurries of activity and then periods of less activity.

It's November and the trend continues. In Social Chat, only six posts were made over a period of four days. I haven't been posting much lately because there haven't been posts to respond to. In seven years as a HoP member, I have never seen anything like it.

Even worse, Josh and Kate were going to have a mini-Doof tomorrow night at their place in my honor and it appears that very few people will be coming. This disappoints me. It means that our community is collapsing and I can't figure out why this is happening.

But more important than the discussion of why is how to fix it. This community was an amazing, active, warm, loving family consisting of tens of thousands of spinners all over the world. I don't think the blame can be placed in the hands of any individual, be it NYC, FireTom, Malcolm, or myself.

Did the community move to Facebook? If so, can we use that to our advantage? Is there something that we can do to make this forum more conducive to gatherings and socialization?

In the mean time, I will ask people posting in this thread to please try to move your posts out into the Discussion forums. We need to jump-start those forums as a start.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


Kinudin (Soul Fyre)
veteran
Location: San Diego, California, USA
Member Since: 21st Dec 2001
Total posts: 1325
Posted:Message heard and responded to...

That's a big 10/4!



ElectricBlue
ElectricBlue

Now with extra strawberries
Location: Canberra
Member Since: 11th Feb 2002
Total posts: 810
Posted:Hmm it is really strange.

I am actually finding that i have posted more in recent times than i ever did when i first joined but i'm pretty sure that is just me. Also i have only really ever posted in the tech areas and there still seems to be some good stuff going on over there.

I kind of doubt that people have moved to face book because its group sites are pretty lame and hard to use efficiently. Though i do think that more of the event organization kind of thing has probably moved that direction, just beacuse face book is quite good for event marketing.

One of the things that i have been thinking about as far as a down turn in the number of post is the last few year ago was that really huge peek in the popularity of fire spinning and heaps of new people were picking it up. So although there are still new people learning and still the oldies who will always love it i suppose that those times would have been the peeks in board activity.

Maybe it would help to look at the average post over time and compare our post rates to the time just before that big peek. I'm not sure if it would be more or less but it could provide some insight to the trends.

Oh and i don't feel that the down turn really had much to do with any one person or social 'incedent'. I have always checked in on HOP pretty much every weekday, mostly in tech but browsing the others and i honestly had no idea about any of the dramas re NYC, tom and all that other blah blah blah until there was a thread that summarised it all way after the event.

I'm not sure i have any suggestions on what to do but i do hope things pick up a bit more.


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Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:mm doc we are still doing the Mini-Doof...and there will be at least 3 HOPers there. but yeah well you know, HOPers have a reputation for flaking out when under pressure...

:tries not to look at BrettStar, Adya and BenJaMen:




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pineapple pete
pineapple pete

water based
Location: melbourne
Member Since: 20th Sep 2004
Total posts: 5125
Posted:personally, i dont believe there are any valid suggestions on how to 'fix' this 'problem'. we can sit around all day, speculating as to why people are posting less, lack of interest, or higher amounts of interest paid to other areas, but identifying the cause, and finding a remedy are two different concepts.

i can't feasibly see a way of 'fixing' whats 'wrong' with the boards. surely, if HoP is slower than usual, its not broken its just that people are choosing to do different things with their time. i don't see a way in which there can be a quick fix, to make the boards teem with posts again, but it has to happen on its own accord. interesting conversation can't just be sparked at will, it will just happen when it does, and when it happens more and more often, the boards will be back to 'normal'.. whatever that is.

my solution. wait. time works out pretty good for those who get used to it smile

hug


"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*


Pogo69
Pogo69

there's no charge for awesomeness... or attractiveness
Location: limbo
Member Since: 6th Apr 2006
Total posts: 3764
Posted:I've certainly noticed the same, doc... it has been somewhat quiet. I know I don't post nearly as much as I once did in social chat and intro threads, but that's mainly because my work blocked HoP (b*stards) and it isn't till fairly recently that I've started semi-regularly visiting again (via a web proxy, cos our IT dept suck).

I'm one of those who're notoriously bad for not showing up to social occasions; sometimes because I'm slack, sometimes because having 4 kids just does that to you, sometime. but, despite my (not entirely) joking about taking my children out in public, I *will* be at your thanksgiving dinner next week. grin

I have no suggestions either, really. I've not been interactive enough with the forums of late, to be able to get a good feel for why things may have slowed down. couldn't say re: facebook either, cos although I have an account (after much pestering from my family), I just don't *get* it...


--pogo (pat) [forever and always]


mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:Bring back post counts! How can you complain about low post volume when you removed everything that encouraged post whoring? wink

oh another note, when everything around is changing toward social networking, what does hop do? Allow youtube video embedding.... hmmmmm. If you don't change you die? Was that a saying?

Message boards like this are probably seen as an 'old school' form of communication on the internet. With oldy world charm, like posting letters, but more lame. If you want more posters, get more young person features attuned to the myspace generation.

But in the end, hop is a forum connected to a company. If the company want to do stuff that's in their interests then... well...


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.


pineapple pete
pineapple pete

water based
Location: melbourne
Member Since: 20th Sep 2004
Total posts: 5125
Posted:hm, coulda sworn i replied in here, guess it gotten eaten somewhere in the system..

que sera sera, i guess

hug

edit: sorry, i take that back, seems this thread was double posted, and i replied in the other

hug


"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*


jo_rhymes
jo_rhymes

Momma Bear
Location: Telford, Shrops
Member Since: 10th Apr 2005
Total posts: 4525
Posted:it sure is quiet! I don't know what's going on either hug xxx

Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.


Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13919
Posted:MCP,

I responded to your post out in Social Discussion where I started an identical topic.

Please try to move the discussion out there where the whole community can participate in it. The only reason I posted it in here was because there are a lot of senior members who don't go out there anymore.

And that might be part of the problem...


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13919
Posted:Originally Posted By: mcpBring back post counts! How can you complain about low post volume when you removed everything that encouraged post whoring? wink

Not a bad idea. Fancy an experiment, Malcolm? Can't hurt, and even if it does, then just take them away again.

Quote:
oh another note, when everything around is changing toward social networking, what does hop do? Allow youtube video embedding.... hmmmmm. If you don't change you die? Was that a saying?

Message boards like this are probably seen as an 'old school' form of communication on the internet. With oldy world charm, like posting letters, but more lame. If you want more posters, get more young person features attuned to the myspace generation.

A very valid observation. Ben and I were talking about this very thing, but I'll leave it up to Ben to talk about his idea.

Quote:But in the end, hop is a forum connected to a company. If the company want to do stuff that's in their interests then... well...

HoP is connected to a company, but I think that Malcolm has done a very good job of keeping the two just about as separate as practicable. He doesn't advertise on this site and he doesn't allow other advertising. He used the resources that he has from this company to put a lot of time and money into this site and I don't think that the message boards generate a lot of revenue. The revenue comes from the shop and most of his customers aren't avid posters, or so I understand.

For those who are confused, this post is a response to a post under an identical topic that I posted in the "Retired Members" section. However, because I'd like the whole community to see this, I moved my response out to Social Discussion


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


pineapple pete
pineapple pete

water based
Location: melbourne
Member Since: 20th Sep 2004
Total posts: 5125
Posted:as posted in the other thread:

personally, i dont believe there are any valid suggestions on how to 'fix' this 'problem'. we can sit around all day, speculating as to why people are posting less, lack of interest, or higher amounts of interest paid to other areas, but identifying the cause, and finding a remedy are two different concepts.

i can't feasibly see a way of 'fixing' whats 'wrong' with the boards. surely, if HoP is slower than usual, its not broken its just that people are choosing to do different things with their time. i don't see a way in which there can be a quick fix, to make the boards teem with posts again, but it has to happen on its own accord. interesting conversation can't just be sparked at will, it will just happen when it does, and when it happens more and more often, the boards will be back to 'normal'.. whatever that is.

my solution. wait. time works out pretty good for those who get used to it smile

hug


"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*


mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:so your solution is do nothing?? Awesome.

Maybe we should try and pinpoint the problem. Instead of just watching the community stagnate (exaggeration) as a spectator sport.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.


animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:Yeah, I post less.

I read the same amount as I used to, but TBH, I've lost a connection with many people here, so I don't bother posting.

A huge percentage of the people that were around when I joined up, Have lives that take over nowadays. too busy doing other stuff to post on HoP.

Then one day, they might think to look at HoP, and see that they no longer know any active posters. So they go too. kind of like, would a 24 year old with a bit of knowledge and life experience hang out with a naive and immature 12 year old?

New, interesting topics are also hard to come by nowadays. it's boring replying to the same thing for a few years... wink

The same has happened at Meets. I went to the sheffield birthday party a few weeks back. I only knew the people I had turned up with, and arranged to meet there (a total of about 8, out of a huge group of people), So I ended up shooting off to Hull to visit friends instead.

The meets that have reached notoriety, they've stopped too. No one can be bothered to organise Falmouth anymore, because of the huge amount of people that turn up, and how the intimacy has gone.

SPinjams are getting less people going along. Juggling societies at universities are struggling to keep the non-hardcore manipulators interested. The learning curve that we all experienced at the beginning really kept our attention. the immense self satisfaction at learning new stuff. Now moves take a while to learn because we're left with the ones we skipped because they were too hard, or we have to wait for new discoveries to be made, so of course, our interest in community becomes less and less, because we as an individual get less out of it. Not through anyone's fault but our own. We achieved our goals with our spinning, or realised that they were damn hard...

I've also gone beyond hobbyist level now. I'm too far into this to call it a hobby, more a lifestyle choice. I certainly don't want to discuss fountains and reverse weaves any more. Chances are I'm actually talking in person to my friends about new moves, rather than writing them down in a forum. Talking to Rob directly usually gets me the desired response, plus an extra trick to play with there and then, and all in a much shorter space of time, with tea. He lives down the road.

Make cyber tea tangible, and you might have something... wink

I'm really into other things as well as poi and staff. I'm mainly a contact juggler, and body popper. Not many people discuss that stuff with enough knowledge to add to a conversation.

Social networking never really appealed to me. Seemed all a bit too much like attention seeking for me. Not what I'm into. Trouble is, EVERYONE is doing it. I often miss events that happen, or don't hear about them until the last minute, because people assume that everybody is on on facebook.

Ok, there's some reasons why I don't post so much anymore. helpful?


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Be Water My Friend.


Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:-HOP Global Conference.

-HOP Convention 2009.

-Uberevent

-Personalize.

----------------

choose one,

:R

hug


POI THEO(R)IST


pineapple pete
pineapple pete

water based
Location: melbourne
Member Since: 20th Sep 2004
Total posts: 5125
Posted:not do simply nothing, that'd just make the problem worse.. talking to friends, engaging in conversation (just like this one), what you would expect from a lively forum.

that said, you are right, assuming its not just a phase of disinterest this site is going through, it is indeed a different matter of affairs, a state in which i personally dont have any ideas for repair.

as far as the cause, assuming not a phase, i do agree with some of your prior coments. myspace, facebook and the similar rubbish seems to have obbliterated the need for the intro threads section, google vids, youtube, and the various knockoffs removes makes a video thread almost unnecessary, and the ways in which these sites interact, link etc, its getting rid of the middle man, namely, HoP..

as for the discussions and chat sections, msn messenger and the likes, allows people to chat one on one, and im sure over time, peoples interest in 'who the last person to post on a certain thread' was, would surely fade..

hug


"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*


Seye
Seye

Geek
Location: Manchester, UK
Member Since: 27th Mar 2005
Total posts: 1261
Posted:How much traffic is there in the hidden forum?

I think that killed a lot of conversation. Topics that would have been posted by the more experienced members are now hidden from view. It also means that they are turning their attention away from the other forums. We've already seen in this topic that there is another string of replies elsewhere that is hidden from the rest of the board. It also creates two tiers of members. Especially when it is mentioned publically. That can only make new members feel excluded. As someone who has run forums for years I've seen it happen before.

Also...

In the UK we've been scewed by the weather this year. Our whole festival season has been wet. Where people would normally be spinning things in fields for the first time they have been sat in their tents sheltering from the rain. The cancellation of Play was just a signifier as to how the rest of the summer has been (believe me - I spent a lot of it in the mud).
This will probably be better next year.

The community grew at an amazing rate recently. So much so that it has splintered. There are now many different smaller "more personal" communities. People are tending to find affiliation with their local groups because there are enough people to form such groups (However this has always been the case in Manchester and we're all still pretty active on here - maybe we are just special wink )

There is more but I have to get on with stuff. I'll try to post more later.



Brenn
Brenn

Will carpal your tunnel in a minute.
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 28th Jun 2004
Total posts: 3286
Posted:Hmm...It's something I've noticed too, and I know I have posted less this year than last.

I'm personally putting it down to changing life stages: Finishing uni this year, travelling for a chunk of the year, and going corporate have seen me do less poi/fire in general and paying attention to other areas of my life or having the lack of energy or health to do so until my routine settles a bit.

In a way i'm glad I'm not the only one who has stagnated a bit activity-wise, but HoP has been a mainstay for me for years and I'm certain my absence won't be indefinite.

Perhaps others are undergoing life changes currently? I know Brett and Adya have a lot on their plate uni-wise, and several other HoP heavyweights have been travelling and dealing with life changes themselves (Pineapple Pete's travelling and Doc's travelling/med board woes/losingthegame woes) And I know another who is going corporate so it seems a low/erratic year for the HoP collective.

hug


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Mr Majestik
Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear
Member Since: 9th Mar 2004
Total posts: 4693
Posted:haha *so tempted to merge thread thats double posted on two boards* tongue2

i have nothing constructive to add that i feel like writing, kind of the cause of the problem hey?


"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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Mr Majestik
Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear
Member Since: 9th Mar 2004
Total posts: 4693
Posted:wtf richee.

the day i fully understand you is the day the world ends!

laugh3


"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley


Flynt
Flynt

Intrepid Penguin

Member Since: 12th May 2002
Total posts: 5635
Posted:Err ok, just to play devils advocate here:

Yoyo's.
Myspace.
Leg Warmers.

What do they all have in common?

They are fads. Poi/fire spinning to a certain degree, and this web forum, is a fad. It has amazing roots throughout history and a rich and beautiful culture all over the world that existed for a period of time...

but... People. Move. On.

Im sorry if it feels like this is a tragedy, but I see it as a natural progression? You will always have your 'die hards', your 'new enthusiasts', your 'post whores', your 'time wasters'... but the majority of 'new enthusiasts' from five years ago will have found other things to do. And the years where poi and fire staff were the popular things to do, have past. Now its electronic past times and Wii's and PS3's and stuff.

This isnt to say that Home of Poi or the wonderful arts community we have will die off completely, but it WILL go through tough (or quiet) times. And that is just natural human progression.

How do we fix something that occurs throughout all phases of human interest?

This website will be here as a reference point and meeting place for people for many years to come. Common Ground Australia is a glowing testament to people meeting to learn and communicate with spinning arts, and started BECAUSE of HoP.

I don't think anything is 'broken' with HoP or poi at the moment, and I don't think there is any 'fix'. I think this is just what happens when something hits the public eye for a time and then drops off again.

/end rant. wink

xoxox hug


Currently on the right side up of the world.


willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Quote:New, interesting topics are also hard to come by

This for me is the main reason that activity will have dropped off. Outside of the social forums how many new posts are given replies telling people to do a search? Which is fair enough, but unless those members who are really out there exploring new techniques etc are going to post about that then how can you expect newbies to do that? Most of the time if I have a question I can find a post to answer it. I know theres enough stuff in the staff antispin weaves thread to keep me going for a good while yet.

I notice that if a new interesting post is begun, people do respond - see 'whats wrong with poi', ''what makes poi beautiful', this thread, and going a bit further back many of mcp's posts on staff manipulation.

Perhaps it would be worth looking at hits next to new posts Malcom? If the hits have stayed similar and posts have dropped off it would suggest people are still using the site but that they have found what they want without having to post, meaning the 'do a search' stuff is doing its job.

I do think that the new facebook age is having an effect. I know that the regular Leeds spinners organise all their stuff on there and are not members of this site, as its one more thing to go check regularly, unfortunately that is inevitable. I personally like having this community seperate, but thats me...

Having only been here a couple of years, I still feel that I get a lot out of the site, but to begin with it definately had a feeling of 'everyone here knows each other really well and I'm kinda an outsider', little things like people using real names to refer to each other - stupid things that should not make you nervous about interacting but still can do.

I don't really have a solution, just a few ramblings while I eat my lunch, but there it is.

hug


Working hard to be a wandering hippie layabout. Ten years down, five to go!


simta
simta

compfuzzled
Location: hastings
Member Since: 11th Apr 2006
Total posts: 1182
Posted:Originally Posted By: Doc LightningSo, as has been pointed out in the "Is it quieter around here lately?" the boards are kinda dead.

and this being posted in a section where many can't see. i even noticed in that thread members who can't see that section referred to as "plebs". (note some of us "not oldie" members do have access to that section)

i don't ever go in social chat, so i can't comment about that, but recently there's been some good threads on social discussion. the big one about google (although the new one about google is very quiet) and the whats wrong with poi thread has been cool.

personally i'd rather one or two good threads in social discussion than lots of crap in social chat, but that's just me.



"the geeks have got you" - Gayle


Gnor
Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth
Member Since: 31st Mar 2003
Total posts: 5814
Posted:hmm.....I got sucked into WOW....nothing in my life has been the same lol


Though we have a new local board that is lacking traffic atm as well.


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Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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Fire_Moose
Fire_Moose

Elusive and Bearded
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Member Since: 2nd May 2007
Total posts: 3597
Posted:Look Doc, I'm SORRRY I missed the BM meetup....



But really i've kinda noticed the same. Last person to post is still going strong but there really isn't a whole lot going on.

/shrug

I'm a work hopper too, outside of work i dont really have net access...


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Meanie
Snowplow

Member Since: 20th Nov 2008
Total posts: 18
Posted:It seems I'm always the rebel. People on this board are less active than ever or so I hear, and I become more active and join it wink.

Originally Posted By: Gnorhmm.....I got sucked into WOW....nothing in my life has been the same lol

Though we have a new local board that is lacking traffic atm as well.

My advice. Stop playing that game. i've played it for quite a long time, and in the end I noticed that my playing has steadily increased over time. That game is one of the best brainwashing tools ever invented. Looking back I felt a little empty when I was playing it.


Fire + Idiot * wind - brains = Oops


natasqi
natasqi

addict
Location: Perth
Member Since: 4th Jul 2007
Total posts: 489
Posted:i think internet time is sucked into other things.

I log on, instantly check my uni webmail, hotmail and LJ friends page.
My webmail has links to facebook via people posting pictures of me or whatever...
Hotmail has links to "so and so commented on your post/comment"
LJ friends page has a page or two of what my friends are up to and comics and other things I like reading...

Then I move to the Perth Fire boards... then HOP.

and after spending so much time online, I often read things but can't be bothered posting unless I feel passionate about things. I don't need to waste time online anymore because there is a billion things I could be doing.



NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:I blame London.

They carried this community for many years.

Tribe is still alive and well, so San Fransisco must be doing it's part.

The Burningman Regionals are stronger and more technical than ever.

The Youtube Jedi are Youtubing it up.

So, yup. I blame London. They fell off. Simple as that.

Specifically Coleman. He broke up the Princess Palace and the rest fell from there.

I'm sure I could trace it back to his Mom if I tried.


[Sort of kidding, sort of not, you do the math.]


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


duvan
duvan

ancient oachkatzlschwoaf
Location: germany
Member Since: 13th Nov 2002
Total posts: 249
Posted:sorry maybe it's just me but isn't this whole discussion absolutely pointless? laugh3

Personally I feel like ElectricBlue - I've never been as active as I am right now on the HOP boards. And honestly - I feel that it has become a lot easier for new people to get into the world of HOP. "Back then" which is several years ago I didn't even bother to post at all for I felt overwhelmed by the amount of messages and people popping up every day. Right now I really like HOP, more than I ever did before for I feel like there isn't as much "chatty" stuff distracting my peanut brain from what people actually talked about as there used to be before - and I am just the type of person that likes simple plain talk about the facts without the girlish stuff grin (holy smoke this must be the worst written English phrase ever - Lord, forgive me)



PyroWill
PyroWill

HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Location: Staines
Member Since: 4th Aug 2004
Total posts: 4437
Posted:I have HoP as my homepage yet moment I open Mozilla and it loads up I instantly click on something else. I don't know why I'm not around here much anymore. Things just feel different.

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind

Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife

"Will's to pretty for prison" - Simian


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