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Location: melbourne, Australia
Posted:
hi everybody.
a little while ago now, rob bluecat showed me a little thing called line isolation. although i was already well aware of this sort of concept with staff, i'd never really considdered playing with it with poi..
so, after a few months of not doing much about it, then a couple of weeks of playing with it lots at brettstars place, i finally made a bit of headway, and produced a small video of the things ive been playing with:
youtube link, here
questions, queries, qualms, thoughts or miscellaneous abuse anyone?
hi everybody.
a little while ago now, rob bluecat showed me a little thing called line isolation. although i was already well aware of this sort of concept with staff, i'd never really considdered playing with it with poi..
so, after a few months of not doing much about it, then a couple of weeks of playing with it lots at brettstars place, i finally made a bit of headway, and produced a small video of the things ive been playing with:
youtube link, here
questions, queries, qualms, thoughts or miscellaneous abuse anyone?
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
wow! very exciting!
thanks for the lovely diagrams and such in the vid
wow! very exciting!
thanks for the lovely diagrams and such in the vid
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Rum-Swilling Combustioneer
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Location: Macungie, PA, USA
Rum-Swilling Combustioneer
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Posted:
This is what we've been calling sweeps - kind of a cross between an isolation and a stall in some ways. Lots of great stuff to play with here! The video really helps cement the patterns though, so well done, mate! I think anybody planning on doing videos of complex concepts like this should incorporate clubs or sticks of some kind - They're great for teaching because you can really slow it down or even "pause" it.
But yeah, there's a lot of material here with sweeps/line isolations ... Using sock poi you can really make the bodies interact with each other for some funky patterns. Cool stuff!
This is what we've been calling sweeps - kind of a cross between an isolation and a stall in some ways. Lots of great stuff to play with here! The video really helps cement the patterns though, so well done, mate! I think anybody planning on doing videos of complex concepts like this should incorporate clubs or sticks of some kind - They're great for teaching because you can really slow it down or even "pause" it.
But yeah, there's a lot of material here with sweeps/line isolations ... Using sock poi you can really make the bodies interact with each other for some funky patterns. Cool stuff!
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Posted:
I like this a lot, what I see:
0:18 Trammel
0:56 Trammmel extension.
1:18 Horizontal trammel.
1:40 I saw this somewhere..
1:50 This is dual previous, crazy.
1:58 I'm sceptic about triangles, but I may change mind later..
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There is no name yet for the 1:40 move Petey!
very very nice,
:R
I like this a lot, what I see:
0:18 Trammel
0:56 Trammmel extension.
1:18 Horizontal trammel.
1:40 I saw this somewhere..
1:50 This is dual previous, crazy.
1:58 I'm sceptic about triangles, but I may change mind later..
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There is no name yet for the 1:40 move Petey!
very very nice,
:R
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Posted:
Niftyness.
Niftyness.
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Posted:
The thing at 1:40 is half linear iso, then half linear extension. In the video, Pete moves his arms and body a bit to make space for the poi to come back to wall plane. So his hands trace out a rectangle~ish sort of path.
If you shorten up and do this in buzzsaw you can keep your hands tracing a path that is a vertical line. In this case the line iso part will feel kinda like a deep antispin. If instead you do the line iso so that the poi point towards your chest it will feel like a deep samespin type of move. This stuff is all related to the trochoidal movement in a linear fashion, rather than around a circle.
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Trochoid.html
Well Zan has mentioned it on his website, so I guess the cat's out of the bag. Zan and I will touch on these types of movement in our upcoming Instructional DVD.
-Alien Jon
The thing at 1:40 is half linear iso, then half linear extension. In the video, Pete moves his arms and body a bit to make space for the poi to come back to wall plane. So his hands trace out a rectangle~ish sort of path.
If you shorten up and do this in buzzsaw you can keep your hands tracing a path that is a vertical line. In this case the line iso part will feel kinda like a deep antispin. If instead you do the line iso so that the poi point towards your chest it will feel like a deep samespin type of move. This stuff is all related to the trochoidal movement in a linear fashion, rather than around a circle.
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Trochoid.html
Well Zan has mentioned it on his website, so I guess the cat's out of the bag. Zan and I will touch on these types of movement in our upcoming Instructional DVD.
-Alien Jon
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Posted:
i feel i should say that the flower youre talking about at 1:40, is a butterfly 4 petal antispin flower, with the poi and arms in split time, in wall plane, with essentially odd isolation, creating lines.. so its a line isolated antispin flower
right?
i feel i should say that the flower youre talking about at 1:40, is a butterfly 4 petal antispin flower, with the poi and arms in split time, in wall plane, with essentially odd isolation, creating lines.. so its a line isolated antispin flower
right?
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*
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Posted:
This is demo version!
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Non-Https Image Link
Anti-spin / Paracircle / (vertex..)
Here is a small comparison between full circle
and hlf circle spin.
Line isolation, divide the front plane
into 2 halves.
They are symetric by midline.
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About the third move, this move include
2 positive and 1 negative component.
Similar like paracircle.
For example only Trammel, the first move
is fully negative I think.
Hmm interesting,
:R
PS: Another great resource 2dcurves.com.
This is demo version!
--------------------------
Non-Https Image Link
Anti-spin / Paracircle / (vertex..)
Here is a small comparison between full circle
and hlf circle spin.
Line isolation, divide the front plane
into 2 halves.
They are symetric by midline.
--------------
About the third move, this move include
2 positive and 1 negative component.
Similar like paracircle.
For example only Trammel, the first move
is fully negative I think.
Hmm interesting,
:R
PS: Another great resource 2dcurves.com.
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Posted:
i dont see what you mean by positive and negative im afraid richee
i dont see what you mean by positive and negative im afraid richee
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*
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Posted:
This is some strage theory I'm thinking about,
about relation between curves,
how to combine them.
More later, also the move name:
Pete's Madness
smiling,
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This is some strage theory I'm thinking about,
about relation between curves,
how to combine them.
More later, also the move name:
Pete's Madness
smiling,
:R
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Posted:
so, yeah, i just call them straight lines now
nice thoughts pete. but there's lots more. think about where you can use a line to travel to and from... and the possiblilities of making only one poi do the straight line are endless too
so, yeah, i just call them straight lines now
nice thoughts pete. but there's lots more. think about where you can use a line to travel to and from... and the possiblilities of making only one poi do the straight line are endless too
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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Posted:
i was honestly expecting you to chime in at some point rob..
ive got lots of time to play now, so i shall
maybe you should be more specific with these new possibilities.. like, visually specific.. :nudge:
i like line isolation
i was honestly expecting you to chime in at some point rob..
ive got lots of time to play now, so i shall
maybe you should be more specific with these new possibilities.. like, visually specific.. :nudge:
i like line isolation
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*
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Posted:
Isn't there a differance between line isolation and line perfect cateye? Where I think line isolation would be heaps more difficult.
Isn't there a differance between line isolation and line perfect cateye? Where I think line isolation would be heaps more difficult.
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Posted:
Stragiht lines, has no isolation first, second cat eye
are two circular objects, where stragiht line has at
least one line object, created by hand or Poi and there
is no isolation in cat eye. Also isn't perfect cat eye,
an isolation?
Very nice thought Bluecat.
off to sleap,
:R
Stragiht lines, has no isolation first, second cat eye
are two circular objects, where stragiht line has at
least one line object, created by hand or Poi and there
is no isolation in cat eye. Also isn't perfect cat eye,
an isolation?
Very nice thought Bluecat.
off to sleap,
:R
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Posted:
i think this is a blury area of poi. where one line isolation can be explained by doing a cat eye, but with the end of the poi doing the straight line, rather than the center of the poi, the same thing can be described using a large 2 petal antispin flower..
i think this is a blury area of poi. where one line isolation can be explained by doing a cat eye, but with the end of the poi doing the straight line, rather than the center of the poi, the same thing can be described using a large 2 petal antispin flower..
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*
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Posted:
Yeah.. I started playing with one of the butterfly line isos thinking of it like a point isolated antispin flower. I was trying to replicate antispin with staves or clubs with my poi and it kinda happened.
Yeah.. I started playing with one of the butterfly line isos thinking of it like a point isolated antispin flower. I was trying to replicate antispin with staves or clubs with my poi and it kinda happened.
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Posted:
I'll edit more thoughts in later, but for now, hear are some correlations:
Here are 2 examples of using parts of linear isolation in more complex patterns:
Originally Posted By:
Partial use of 'linear isolations' in
Here are simple examples of linear isolations of the poi head:
Originally Posted By:
Base 'linear isolations' of poi head
Base 'linear isolation' of the poi head.
It is analogous to 1-beat staff anti-spin (antispin cross).
Expanded 'linear isolation' of the poi head.
It is the equivalent of a 2-petal flower.
'Linear isolations' have a relationship to 'trammels' and 'cateyes' through proportion in 'poi units'.
Originally Posted By:
'linear isolations', 'trammel', 'cateye', proportion, and 'poi units'
A 'trammel' (Trammel of Archimedes) has a hand path of 1 unit in length. A poi head 'linear isolation' has a hand path of 2 units in length.
A 'cateye' has a circular hand path with a diameter of 1 unit.
A 'cateye' can also be considered an 'expanded trammel'
An 'expanded linear isolation' (of poi head) has a circular hand path with a diameter of 2 units.
-Alien Jon
I'll edit more thoughts in later, but for now, hear are some correlations:
Here are 2 examples of using parts of linear isolation in more complex patterns:
Originally Posted By:
Partial use of 'linear isolations' in
Here are simple examples of linear isolations of the poi head:
Originally Posted By:
Base 'linear isolations' of poi head
Base 'linear isolation' of the poi head.
It is analogous to 1-beat staff anti-spin (antispin cross).
Expanded 'linear isolation' of the poi head.
It is the equivalent of a 2-petal flower.
'Linear isolations' have a relationship to 'trammels' and 'cateyes' through proportion in 'poi units'.
Originally Posted By:
'linear isolations', 'trammel', 'cateye', proportion, and 'poi units'
A 'trammel' (Trammel of Archimedes) has a hand path of 1 unit in length. A poi head 'linear isolation' has a hand path of 2 units in length.
A 'cateye' has a circular hand path with a diameter of 1 unit.
A 'cateye' can also be considered an 'expanded trammel'
An 'expanded linear isolation' (of poi head) has a circular hand path with a diameter of 2 units.
-Alien Jon
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Posted:
- Valery
Can't resit, can take hours to re-develop few
famous club swinging routines.
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Inspirationall at all.
thx,
:R
- ValeryCan't resit, can take hours to re-develop few
famous club swinging routines.
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Inspirationall at all.
thx,
:R
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Posted:
Yeah, I almost forgot about that Valery video. It's great! If I weren't so lazy I'd take up clubs as well... cuz a lot of the ideas as of late I think would be easier with clubs!
Yeah, I almost forgot about that Valery video. It's great! If I weren't so lazy I'd take up clubs as well... cuz a lot of the ideas as of late I think would be easier with clubs!
+Alien Jon
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